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Send In The Big Fluffy Blue Cloud is the new name given
to
the last helicopter to leave the roof of the embassy
when
the bad guys have won, and you need to run back to
mummy and daddy land pronto to face the music.
It's a simple but effective item that consists of a set of
very large
inflatable bags that completely enclose a
Chinook helicopter when activated, making it look like a
rather jolly shape-shifting cloud instead of a great big
dark
scaredy cat copter.
The inflatables are positioned so that they are well clear
of the blades and don't interfere with the ability of the
Chinook to fly around. They expand and fully deploy
once
the copter has made its final departure.
Clear panels at the front enable the crew to see out, but
otherwise the Chinook now becomes a series of pulsating
fluffy blue blobs that blend in rather well with the sky
and
can no longer become the third entry pic in a fairly
tragic
series of helicopters fleeing from another failed war in
total desperation.
Not again... again
https://www.dawn.com/news/amp/1640817
[xenzag, Aug 16 2021]
Fluffy Blue Clouds
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It's sad and horrible but still better to leave than not. Sunk cost is sunk, and America doesn't have the will to do it cheaply or the money to do it the expensive way. The only way to bomb a culture into submission is to kill the enemy, and then kill all of his sons so they don't seek vengeance, and then scatter everyone else to the winds complete with brutal Chinese style reculturalization. Then you need to send your own people to take and hold the land. Slavery optional, but if you do that it needs to last four generations, minimum. You cannot gently repress a culture. |
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Don't get me wrong, I think the whole thing was an evil travesty from the beginning, heavily salted with oil and lies. I'm not saying America should have all but glassed Afghanistan. I'm saying it would have been the only way to win. |
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Winning move is an elected monarch who's totally into minarchism shackled so that each of the next monarchs remain bound to the first. |
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This is entirely the reason that I am even running for the office of Benevolent Planetary Sovereign.
A vote for me is a vote for you. |
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I smell backroom deals and propaganda. |
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"I love the smell of opium first thing in the morning
- it smells like victory" Taliban |
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The entire episode is so appalling that you couldn't make it up. As soon as Trump gave the leaving date to the Taliban, the die was cast, and now the chickens have come home to roost, while another set of chickens fly off leaving a total mess in their wake. As everyone else runs out of the room Biden will be left with the dead baby on his desk. Only a total idiot would not have known this would be the outcome. The Taliban ran rings around the Americans, especially the ultra moron Trump, dragging their allies into the mire with them. I imagine Taiwan are in great fear now as to what the Chinese may feel emboldened to do given this complete failure. |
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I don't know, things were pretty stable, gradually moving in
the right direction, even...
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The real way to win is to set things up and provide support
for people to have a
decent life in accordance with their culture, and can see a
future for their children. |
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It seems like all they had to do was not fuck up the
end-game.
Again. |
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//"I love the smell of opium first thing in the morning - it
smells like victory" Taliban// |
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Not saying they're nice people or anything but the Taliban
actually reduced opium farming (& thus export) during
their original tenure (being against it for religious reasons
as they were) while in the immediate aftermath of
the
US led invasion (when no one was too bothered what
farmers were doing, being too busy shooting at each other)
it likely saw a relative boom & upsurge so
that
might have more
accurately reflected reality if it had been. |
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//"I love the smell of opium first thing in the morning - it
smells like victory" Bush// |
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It's always a good idea to try not to fall for too
much propaganda & lies [xen]. |
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Do you need reminding that there were no WOMD in
Iraq & that given where he was when he was found bin
Laden' probably wasn't even in Afghanistan at the start of
that war? |
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That given those two facts the excuses for
both wars were patently false & probably lies? |
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//The Taliban ran rings around the Americans, especially the ultra moron Trump//
I know you have an internal love affair with the former president, but if you could confine your fantasies to something a little more realistic than giving credit to one man who came in 8/10ths of the way through and then left 9/10ths of the way through it would make you look a lot more sane. |
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//make you look a lot more sane// I've never
worried about looking sane, especially here, and
take the idea of looking not so sane as a great
compliment. What's your idea of a sane person?
How about the ones who imagined they could "do a
great deal" with the Taliban? You call that a good
example of sanity? I call it an episode worthy of
Borat. I prefer the idea of big puffy helicopters
instead of videos of people clinging in desperation
to planes taking off. At least my idea was a bit of
fun. Falling from an ascending plane is no fun at
all. |
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//Can you point to any foreign power of the past two hundred years or so that got in, did anything good that lasted,
got out clean?// |
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I think there's a risk of "no true scotsman" about that. |
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I mean, you're going to need to qualify each subsection of that. How good? Lasting how long? How much disruption in
getting out? Would you exclude an intervention for not being explicitly military in nature? What about if the initial
intent wasn't altruistic? And also, perhaps, how foreign - for example, would you discount a situation where the
nation retained some links with the intervening nation? |
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I'm not a historian, but I think there are lots of cases where significant change has been made, and the situation now
is better in some way than the original situation - but it's not entirely clear that things wouldn't have evolved to be
equivalently better without the intervention. |
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For example, there are lots of nations which have devolved from the British empire. My understanding is that in
general when the british left, they tried to manage the hand-over and leave things in a decent state. Sometimes this
didn't work out, but then again, sometimes it did- and many of them are still now stable nations. I've mentioned
several ways you could exclude these - but perhaps if you're excluding everything which could possibly count then
your argument isn't worth very much. |
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I say we send the boys to xen's neck of the woods
next. I'm rather tired of the peanuts being thrown. |
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Trump’s negotiation with bad faith actors botched
this badly. You'd think that his experience being a
party leader of a gaggle of bad faith actors would've
prepared him more. |
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I don't know what to say about Biden. |
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Biden isn't in charge of his own dinner menu. |
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//Can you point to any foreign power of the past
two hundred years or so that got in, did anything
good that lasted, got out clean?// There are
several examples of a despot based regime being
ousted and the country left in a much better state
than it was. How about Germany for a start. Korea
is an interesting example. The south is clearly a
success. Being chased out is never a good ending. |
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Ok. Didn't Ghengis Khan quell the entire country
rather effectively as part of the Mogul empire? |
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I only hold Trump responsible for his own idiocy, and there is a clear connection between America's humiliation here and his laughable "deal making" with the Taliban, who simply saw him as an ill informed clown to run rings around. Watch now as China steps in and secures another stepping stone in their ambition to dominate that entire region. My money is on them being the first country to be invited to a new administration in Kabul. China will use Afghanistan as a crucible to grind the west, just as America used Afghanistan to grind the Russians. The Chinese won't care when Afghanistan resumes being a giant terrorist training camp, as they will make sure that any planes flying into buildings or sport stadiums in the future don't happen on Chinese soil. The Taliban's success in driving out the west will embolden Isis and Al Queda everywhere. That's the bigger unknown price that may well be paid than the one of remaining. |
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Let's see what the Chinese do. There's more than
one way to invade and take over a country. The
dumb way involves destruction. |
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[xen] I think your main perceptual problem over the whole
issue here is that you believed them when they told you we
were winning hearts & minds & right at the start when they
told you that was even possible for an invading army going
in under the false excuse of a lie .. whether you accept
that assessment of the original invasion as valid or not
you'd be a
fool not to accept that must have been & probably still is
how it looked to many Afghans on the ground. |
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Outside of the cities we
never turned enough 'hearts & minds' to make any changes
permanent after we left. |
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As others have already pointed out to achieve that would
have required a
stay of
at least 80 years & possibly longer. |
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I'm sorry but it's no one
else's problem but yours if you believed the lies you
were told by people long b4 Trump or Bidden about how
well we were doing. |
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So that you now feel let down it hasn't
gone the way you were told it would. |
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Me? I never believed anyone, ever. I generally see
everything as an opportunity for creative
interventions, and stirring shit, which is why I
generated this idea. It stirred quite well, and now
Westland Helicopters are interested in the actual
idea. Result! |
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//Me? I never believed anyone// |
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Really? sounded like you were blaming Trump for a practically
inevitable outcome presided over by his successor that was
set up
for right at the start when he'd nothing to do with it ;)) |
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He surely didn't help any granted but I can't see the blame as
belonging to him in any significant degree for this outcome. |
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//I generally see everything as an opportunity for
creative interventions, and stirring shit// |
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Ah yes, that forgotten chapter in 'How to Win Friends
and Influence People:' 'Stirring Shit to Leave a Good
Impression' |
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I never saw the halfbakery as a friendship club. |
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// I can't see the blame as belonging to him// Only
a complete moron tells their enemy what their
surrender date is. It was another of his Benny Hill
moments and the Taliban went away laughing and
now the Russians and the Chinese have joined
them. |
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Sure, & that Benny Hill moment (if such it was) is owned by
Bidden, he didn't
have to stick to it & we'll never know if Trump would have. |
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Clearly you have some sort of emotional derangement
regarding Trump if you
actually think you're making logical argument here so I'll just
clock out now o7 |
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//and the Taliban went away laughing and now the Russians and the Chinese have joined them// |
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Russians got nothing to laugh about : they had their asses handed to them in Afghanistan three times over the last 100 years. |
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Expect Pakistan and China to both start kissing Taliban posteriors for military equipment contracts. |
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//is owned by Bidden//What makes you think I see
Biden as being much better than clown Trump?
America is like a bull in a china shop especially
when it comes to global affairs. The Taliban took
full advantage of their stupidity and only had to
wait until the ultra moron had his tiny orange
hands on the control panel to give them the
surrender date. The most powerful military
organisation in the world, assisted by Nato’s finest
armies kicked out by 80,000 sheep shaggers on
mopeds. It just makes me laugh. |
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If you really saw Bidden as being as bad as Trump you
wouldn't be so desperate to assign blame to Trump
regardless of other more obvious assignees (like the one
who actually left on the declared date) nor so ready
to find non-issues like declaring a withdrawal date as
something to blame someone for in the first place. Do you
really believe that it
would ever be done any other way, that any
other president would have withdrawn without saying they
were going & setting a date so the Afghans could have
woken up one morning to find the US had snuck out in the
night without telling anyone they were off? because other
than staying indefinitely (at a cost of $300 million a day
according to Forbes) that's
the alternative. |
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No other president would have just snuck out & left like
that and if
they had everyone
including you would have bitched even
harder & Afghanistan would have fallen just as fast so
it's a ludicrous made-up complaint. |
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You're just talking shite for the sake of talking
shite & It's not even clever or amusing shite (which I'll
admit is what
I'm mostly here for) so I'm just not interested. |
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[If your real complaint is we shouldn't have left yet or we
shouldn't have left at all then just say that but the
complaint you've actually made is pure bovine effluent] |
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Sorry but I just have no respect left for you, your opinions
or anything you have to say [xen], goodbye o7 |
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// Let's see what the Chinese do. There's more than one way to invade and take over a country. The dumb way involves destruction.// |
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//brutal Chinese style reculturalization// |
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//they had their asses handed to them in Afghanistan three times over the last 100 years. // |
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And then America said, See that hornet nest that Russia stuck its hand into? Haha, silly Russia. I'm going to put my big American wang in there instead! |
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My opinion on a hypothetical Chinese attempt is different since China has no compunction about and has over a thousand years of experience with occupying a nation for the required generations and brutally repressing anyone who complains. Well on the other hand Middle Eastern peoples have three thousand years experience resisting occupation. So maybe a toss up? At least it will be a real contest. |
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//Sorry but I just have no respect left for you,
your opinions or anything you have to say [xen],
goodbye o7// Yet here you are floundering in
defeat, and not a word said about my sincere
attempt to provide a creative idea to disguise a
major icon of America’s humiliating exit. What's
your best idea for the same visual scenario? |
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//occupying a nation for the required generations
and brutally repressing anyone who complains//
The Chinese do that but would you also include the
Indigenous North Americans in that same analysis? |
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//would you also include the Indigenous North Americans in that same analysis?// No, for many reasons. America:
-Didn't really get experience out of it relating to how to do it right
-Didn't do it deliberately. It was a series of failures, not such deliberate and considered acts amounting to genocide
-Didn't result in Indians using chopsticks because they weren't allowed knives or growing proud of an awkward hairstyle they were once forced to adopt
-Didn't deliberately wipe out any tribes completely
-Only did it once
-Actually felt bad about it on numerous occasions, in general and tried to make up for it in various ways
-Didn't include the forced cultural assimilation part |
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I'm not saying America did right by the Indians but there's no comparison between the evils levied against various peoples in China's past (and present!)and what America did. |
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You're mistaking contempt for defeat [xen]. |
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//My opinion on a hypothetical Chinese attempt is different since China has no compunction about and has over a thousand years of experience with
occupying a nation for the required generations and brutally repressing anyone who complains.// |
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The current rulers of mainland china, the Chinese Communist Party, have been in control since 1949, when the former rulers (the Kuomintang) were
driven out to Taiwan. I don't think there's much sense in claiming continuity of rule. |
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//////occupying a nation for the required generations and brutally repressing anyone who complains//////
////The Chinese do that but would you also include the Indigenous North Americans in that same analysis?////
//No, for many reasons.// |
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I feel like you're arguing a different point to xenzag, Voice. |
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xenzag is saying that the american indians experienced genocide, and ... well, they obviously did. Nits make lice, and all that.
But what you're really trying to say is that the Chinese have much more effective ways of changing a culture than the Americans.
(I'm uncomfortable with the amount of euphemism there, but it's couched as diplomatically as I could manage.) |
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I honestly doubt China will do anything other than try to trade, and perhaps build a relationship and encourage development with aid. |
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//I honestly doubt China will do anything other than try to trade// I think that's naive. China will almost certainly try to take full advantage of the West's humiliation, especially that of America. One way to do this is to show themselves being fully engaged in nation building. Trade is a two way process, but Afghanistan has nothing to offer the Chinese except this opportunity in exchange for a lot of recourses. |
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As Alan Sugar often repeats in the Apprentice: "who is responsible for the failure of this task?" |
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Cloud-related post; I saw a giant puffy white cloud in the sky
over my house today, shaped like a big ole croissant. I tried to
get a photo, but I was on my bike and by the time I got off it
had changed into a big ole something else. Sorry. |
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////I honestly doubt China will do anything other than try to trade// I think
that's naive. China will almost certainly try to take full advantage of the
West's humiliation, especially that of America. One way to do this is to show
themselves being fully engaged in nation building. Trade is a two way process,
but Afghanistan has nothing to offer the Chinese except this opportunity in
exchange for a lot of recourses.// |
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So what you're saying is that China might try to build a relationship and
encourage development with aid?
It would have made a lot of sense if the
sentence you quoted hadn't stopped there, but had gone on to say that.
Oh, wait. |
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I said what I think will happen. China has nothing
to gain from Afghanistan except by using the place
as a means to humiliate America. It doesn't take
much imagination as to how that would be
realised. It's already happening. Imagine those
psychos having a seat at the UN. |
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//xenzag is saying that the american indians experienced genocide, and ... well, they obviously did. Nits make lice, and all that.// |
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Xenzag is not just saying there was a genocide. He's drawing a moral equivalence between two massively different scales of evil. It's like saying "Sure Tommy stabbed Sarah, but look, Billy poked Jane with a thumbtack ALL WEEK." |
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//if their whole adventure worked out better for anyone// |
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It worked out way better for the Mongols than later attempts at terrorizing the region did for their attemptors. |
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//I honestly doubt China will do anything other than try to trade, and perhaps build a relationship and encourage development with aid.// |
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What, with Afghanistan? I tend to agree. They've got their hands full between ethnic cleansing at home and the annexation of Taiwan, Macao, Hong Kong, and the ongoing efforts in Tibet. And the nine dash line. Can't forget the nine dash line. |
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//China has nothing to gain from Afghanistan except by using the place as a means to humiliate America.// |
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How is that even possible? About the tenth time the schoolyard bully is seen with poo in his drawers the comedic material is pretty much used up. |
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//I honestly doubt China will do anything other than try
to trade, and perhaps build a relationship and encourage
development with aid.// |
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Given what they're up to in Africa, which in terms of
physical/population size and proximity is a lot harder to
deal with than Afghanistan, I assume they will look to
trade. Then, if enough stability exists, they'll push
urbanization and infrastructure to access space and
resources e.g. rare earth ores. I expect they'll also look to
build control over the historically dodgy China-
Afghanistan border - the Wakhan corridor. It was part of
the Silk Road, which the Chinese will be all too conscious
of. It's also a drug inlet to China, through one of their
more troubled regions. Road/Rail and traffic through
those areas will be advantageous to them. |
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China's not afraid of the long game, and knows it's own
and others history. A Corridor along the SW of Afghanistan
and a few favors from Iran and it's in the gulf. |
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//How is that even possible?// The Chinese will
find a way to magnify America’s humiliation and
defeat. No one can say it’s anything but this, and
Biden has taken full ownership now of Trump’s
idiocy. The condeference of dunces swallows its
own tail. America's behavior in this actually
reminds me of the Dutch forces in Bosnia when
they handed 7,000 Muslims over to the Serb's death
squad. ie
totally shameful. The Taliban will run amok before
the year is out, slowly imposing their hideous laws
and the biggest loss of freedoms will be the
women and female children. It's totally depressing,
totally detestable and was totally avoidable.
I'm not keeping it. [marked-for-deletion] It's not
what the halfbakery is for, and I've said my piece. |
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//I never saw the halfbakery as a friendship club// |
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And so influencing people is out, too, apparently. Congrats,
then,
you've become the first human neutrino. |
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//become the first human neutrino//
Ahem... |
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Would a naked neutrino be called a nudetrino? |
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A particle that was just created is a newtrino. |
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//newtrino// I believe they use huge tanks of water to detect those ones. |
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I feel invisible here anymore. Unless you're all hot and
heated and involved in the latest argument, there is not
even acknowledgment. |
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Break. Not the same vibe as the place I want to spend my
time anymore. Geez, we have to watch little battles and big
military messes on the news. I used to come here for a little
distraction. Now it's nothing short of boring chest-thumping,
mixed with a whole lot of "I gotta be right", crap. |
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I hear you Blissy. I'm sorry you missed the croissant shaped
cloud, I would have liked to have seen it. |
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Not to worry. I have 3 more ideas to post to reach
the 1500 mark then I'm taking my leave. |
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Hey Blissy, might want to turn away for a minute, I want
to respond to
xenzag's latest hate on America screed and it might not
be pretty. |
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Hey xenzag, this is your guy Joe Biden’s disaster, not
Trump's. |
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In May 2021, the Biden Administration announced that US
and NATO forces would withdraw unconditionally,
effectively scrapping the terms of the Doha Agreement
negotiated with Trump's okay by Zalmay Khalilzad in
2020. On this news, the Taliban launched an offensive,
quickly advancing ahead of the collapsing Afghan Armed
Forces. Biden admited Trump's deal called for military
action should the terms not be met by the Taliban. He
didn't want to follow through so he just bailed. Go back
and listen to his speech, he admits this is the case. He
said he wasn't willing to use force, think Trump would
have been so shy? |
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There are successful and non successful drawdown and
removal of troops. Let’s look at some recent history. |
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Obama pulls out of Iraq, ISIS takes over, changes their
name to ISIL to show they’re not just in Syria any more,
Obama
obediently refers to them as ISIL, says it was all Bush’s
fault but there wasn’t anything we could do. Trump got
elected, wiped them out and killed their leader. |
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Now Biden pulls the exact same stunt with the Taliban,
blames Trump, and then has the gall to say “WE” already
got Ben laden when he personally voted not to. If Biden
was President Ben Laden might still be alive. |
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Trump said if the Taliban did what they ended up doing
he’d crush them, Biden admits this was the plan but that
he wasn't willing to do it. This is on the record, nobody
denies this. Keeping that credible threat in place would
have allowed us to get people out. Joe trusted everything
to the Afghan army. He’s on record saying that too. |
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Trump's threats had credibility. Where’s ISIS in Iraq now?
Where’s their leader? Credibility is everything when
deterring aggression. Think the Taliban didn’t take notes
on the destruction of ISIS? And what about Trump’s killing
that Iranian general who’s killed hundreds of American
soldiers? You can bet Taliban leaders made note of that
too. Trump has a track record of going after the head of
the snake and THAT gets a snake's attention. |
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And think the Taliban doesn’t know Biden can’t complete
a sentence without a teleprompter, and even then
mumbles and stumbles through every sentence? Believe
me, China and Russia see this too. See that mock invasion
of Taiwan? I pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that
they’re just bluffing. |
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The current situation is the exact same situation we had
under the last Democrat president with Iraqi soldiers
stripping off their uniforms, abandoning their posts and
running in mass from a vastly inferior invading force.
Unfortunately this time there's no Trump to come in and
hand a devastating defeat to the enemy topped off by the
killing of their leader like he did with ISIS. |
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We don’t study our history we’re going to repeat past
mistakes. Ask Neville Chamberlain what happens when
your conciliatory and weak in the face of aggression.
Weakness actually causes war. |
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The Democrats have a proud tradition of screwing things
up. In the Vietnam war (that the Democrats started)
Republican President Nixon brought the Vietcong to peace
talks by saturation bombing raids of the north, negotiated
a truce backed by a threat to resume B-52 bombing raids
should they reneg. When the Democrats impeached him,
the Vietcong saw this
as their chance and invaded. The Republican VP Ford
asked for aid for our allies, but the Democrat controlled
congress turned him down and the Vietcong swept in and
murdered thousands. |
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Same old playbook, year after year. Now we’re at the
mercy of the Taliban and trying to withdraw from
airports they control. And ounce of planning would have
prevented this, but no problem, we can blame it all on
Trump and the sheep will believe us. |
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You know, I've always said Trumphate was a religion, but I
thought it would fade after he was out of office but it's
stronger than ever. He actually gives purpose and meaning
to some people's lives. |
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There are people who just don't like him, and that's fine,
but there are those whose entire lives revolve around the
guy. |
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[blissmiss], please don't go. We need a sensible person around
here (although I partly agree; this place isn't quite the good-
crazy it used to be...).
Maybe we need to invoke the old "don't discuss religion or
politics with your friends" rule? |
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The discussing about politics is all within the
annotations. I posted a perfectly sensible idea here
that if implemented will prevent all future
pictorial icons being created of the last helicopter
to leave Dodge. Improvements to the actual idea
are welcome. No one needs to engage with any
other aspect of what's here, and I have marked the
entire posting for deletion, or simply point out
that there is no need to read it at all. If I am
known here at all then it will be clear that I will
always periodically use the process of generating
ideas to be provocative and express outrage. I've
done this since day one here. I do this in all
aspects of my work as a visual artist. I greatly miss
8th and Max, and several others re
engagement....... |
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What's interesting is the extent to which those who
follow Trump like he's the new messiah can rewrite
history. |
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So, let's wallow in shifting the blame around
instead of actually doing something to prevent an
entire society from becoming enslaved by a type of
modern day religious Gestapo. The female
population will become Handmaids in black instead
of red; gay people will be tossed off buildings;
terror plots to attack the west will become even
bolder. "Who is responsible for the failure of this
task?" I hear two voices at once "Trump/Biden" I
added one more voice to make that answer:
"America". "When you make a deal with the Devil,
you don't change the Devil, the Devil changes you" |
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[xenzag]; that is fair enough.
I actually like the idea. Depending on prevailing conditions, it
could possibly be done with actual mist generators instead of
inflatable bits. |
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I had considered that solution, but the downdraft
would disperse the coloured smoke unless it was
somehow contained.... hence the inflatable
bags.... |
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//What's interesting is the extent to which those
who follow Trump like he's the new messiah can
rewrite history.// |
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I don't follow Trump like the new messiah, I just
love the way he pisses off the obnoxious, hate
filled people like you. And you're projecting by
calling
anybody who's not
a member of your Trumphate cult a cult member. A
cult doesn't necessarily need a god, but it
absolutely needs a devil. There are plenty of
people who don't like the guy but don't make him
the center of their world. You're not one of them. |
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So name one thing I said that's not
true. One thing
that was a re-write of history, like your re-writing
history that you and 8th got along. You hated him
and he hated you. |
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Trump is just some guy to me, he's done some good
stuff and some bad stuff. He's your entire world.
Your entire life centers around hating some public
figure and insulting an entire country of hundreds
of millions of people on a regular basis, all just to
get attention. |
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How about telling me something you love and care
about so I can insult it every week the way you
insult my country? Or do you have anything other
than your cats that you love and care about?
Maybe that's why you
need this cult like obsession with some old man
thousands of miles away from you to give meaning
to your life. |
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//Maybe we need to invoke the old "don't discuss
religion or politics with your friends" rule?// |
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I've suggested having a separate area for this kind
of
junk, fair warning that it's a thinly veiled, hate
filled
rant so the rest of us can just avoid it and get
about
looking at various custard filled inventions, making
jokes and just having a good time. |
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Maybe ask yourself this: Would I stand in the
middle of the room at a party full of people with
lots of different views and start spouting this kind
of hate filled divisive rhetoric? Why would you go
into a party and start insulting people like that? So
now a bunch of the people at the party that were
previously having fun aren't any more and they
just don't
like you. What have you achieved? |
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I put up a link to a debate site, but there are
plenty out there. Maybe take it someplace else. |
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In a matter of weeks you won't have to read comments I post at all as there won't be any. I may still post ideas as I have an endless list, but for me the annotations are too full of direct personal insults, and I don't come here for that. If I wanted to be amongst morons I'd go to Trump rallies. |
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By the way //re-writing history that you and 8th got along. You hated him and he hated you.// You know nothing of my private exchanges with 8th, (and Max) by email, which were extensive over several years. You like to create the myth of hatred but that says more about you than anyone else. Trump does it all the time. You have a good teacher. |
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A moron would be somebody who starts this
incredibly hate filled, insulting nastiness then gets
shocked and offended when somebody fights back. |
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Don't like personal insults? Don't make them. |
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And again with this projecting of your Trump
obsession.
Trump's your religious figure and center of
your
universe, not mine. You bring him up constantly,
I've
never brought him up to start one of these Trump
rant fests. Not once. For one thing they're boring
as hell. |
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And how many times have I tried to be nice to you
by saying you're creative but asked you to stop
insulting my country? For somebody who considers
themselves to be so virtuous you've certainly
stomped on
a lot of peace offerings. |
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//For one thing they're boring as hell// Yet here
you are, swallowing as fast as you can to
regurgitate. Take a breath, or spend some time
with your feet in the fridge to cool off. |
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Idea for a fridge with a foot hole flap so that
overheated folk can lie on the floor, insert their
feet and cool their heels. |
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You can dish it out but you can't take it, typical of
bullies. They're cowards deep down, that's why
they're always attacking people, to bolster their
self
image. |
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I've always stood up to bullies like you. |
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But I'll try again, how about just leaving each other
alone and dropping this obsession with pushing
buttons and insulting people just to get attention? |
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You knock off the hate rhetoric I'll be nice too.
Your choice. |
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You being "nice or not nice" to me is of no concern to me. I too have faced down bullies my entire life. Don't get ahead of yourself. You should thank me for making your brain work harder. I'm quite fond of chilli flavoured dark chocolate. Send me some and I'll let you off lightly. |
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If I could send you something to make nice I probably
would. Not to be "let off", just to keep striving for
peace, something the world is sorely lacking. |
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I did it. It's all my fault. I invaded Afghanistan on my lonesome and also flooded America with illegal immigrants. I personally engineered Trump's rise to power, killed JFK from the tower, and made the Tet offensive real. Now you know who to blame. |
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I knew it. Bet it was you who also stole my wallet
in the taxi on the way to jfk airport in August 95.
Confess! (or end up being made into over scented
bars of hotel soap with your crimes stamped on
each one as an unlimited edition) |
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I'm fat, but I'm not THAT fat. You would need ten of me to fully list out my crimes. |
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Trump is but a symptom... not the disease. |
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I look at our male leaders and I see few 'men'.
Our female leaders reveal just as few 'women'. |
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I see salesmen.
Both the land of North America and its politicians are for sale to the jighest, (no that's not a typo), bidder. |
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What did our great-great grandparents figure?... that it would remain un-purchased by people who don't really have democracy's best interest in mind? |
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Pardon my French but they were a bunch of totally fucking short-sighted morons. |
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Wanna hear how I really think things are going to go down? |
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'cause I'm gonna tell ya anyway... |
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The indigenous communities of North America have an as yet un-utilzed advantage never before seen in history, (please correct me if I am wrong), whereby they now exist as a country within an existing country with separate rules than that of the countries in which they currently exist. |
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The band who's reservation I lived on was the last nation we encountered and I watched them go from squaler to building a new town in the three years I spent with them. |
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They will be a nation of lawyers and doctors and bankers and casino owners soon. |
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They will buy back the land stolen from them.
They seemed to judge people on their merits rather than their skin or eye colour. |
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At least they were good to this blue-eyed white boy... during the Oka Crisis... so I had that going for me. |
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Yeah... they're going to buy back their land... maybe they'll let me keep my small portion of it. |
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OK, [2 fries], now you're making me nervous. Would you like
to spell out what you mean by "jighest"? |
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J makes the H sound in several of the countries doing the bidding for our politicians. |
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//giant puffy white cloud in the sky over my house//
Lovely image [bliss]. I also feel out of place in these
heated arguments. |
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We all have so much more in common than our
differences. |
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Robin Williams quote: "Everyone you meet is fighting a
battle you know nothing about. Be kind, always" |
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For those who enjoy heated debate: check out
ThingsGirlsHate.com [link] - HB'ers really really
disagreeing about a really divisive idea without resorting
to name-calling and insults. |
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So when people say "it used to be better", when people
delete their ideas (or accounts) and leave untidy holes...
when we don't see many newcomers joining in and having
a laugh... maybe, perhaps, if we were a bit kinder in our
comments, it would be better all round? |
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So eloquently said, [Frankx]. Thank you for expressing your
feelings. Going to check out the link now. |
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