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Sending things to places is at an all-time popularity high.
Many things, like pencils, can be confidently shipped with
minimal regard for any potential temperature swings*.
Other products, such as perishable food or lab supplies are
shipped cold, packaged in an insulated box with plenty of
dry
ice. So long as your package arrives with any
unsublimated CO2, you know it has been at -78C for the
entire journey**. Dry ice is a robust solution that maintains
temperature with 100% reliability and no mess.
There are, however, situations where minimum
temperatures must be maintained. For example, if you
wanted some pretty blue shrimp sent to you and the 1000
miles between origin and destination averages -15C. Here,
the thermal buffering capacity of water and styrofoam
insulation help, but often not enough. Some mitigate the
problem by adding small disposable, chemical heating
pouches designed for gloves etc. but these are unregulated
and success is guesswork.
So, a niche has been identified. What we need is
temperature regulation. So let's start by solving the
problem with the Mk1 bs0 Sure-Temp Package Cosy.
Simply take a PID temperature controller, an RTD sensor, a
25W silicone-encased heating element and a 3-cell Li-Ion
pack of about 20 AmpHr capacity. Link it all up with a
voltage-regulator & charging circuit, a microcontroller with
logging, possibly wireless data. Done. That was easy! I
reckon you could mass produce that for less than $150!
Ok, so accounts & sales aren't happy and FedEx has vetoed
the extra lithium cells. Let's iterate with a little value
engineering. Take 2 alkaline cells. A positive temperature
coefficient (PTC) heater and a switch. Done! That get's you
~20 hours of 2W heating, which inside insulation should be
good. Getting PTC at the right range accurately isn't easy,
or at least easy and cheap at the same time... but we're on
the right track with the rest.
We can lower cost with a dumb heater if we get the
sensing/control done reliably. For this I'm going with a
wax-motor thermistor type doodad. Wax is reliable, like
dry ice, you're relying on a fundamental physical property
of wax&temperature. Wax expands, moves potentiometer,
current to heater changes. The heater is just the cheapest
wire available. Then we need a switch***, a low voltage
LED and a bit of silicone casing. Done.
You can get fancy, color code various models for
20C/25C/30C and so on, there's applications outside living
things, chemical solutions that precipitate etc. For safety,
maybe add a tiny PTC thermistor to the heater to prevent
thermal runaway, which isn't spectacular with standard
cells. Your package recipient will know by looking at the
LED to see if the cells are almost completely done. The key
is to keep it cheap, so even the voltage indicators on the
side of some cells could replace the LED.
There, someone build and mass-produce this so I don't have
to wait for spring.
*keep below 250C or package in nitrogen
**if no dry ice remains, add some and leave it for someone
more junior to test.
*** think a bit of removable plastic between two contacts.
****
https://xkcd.com/325/ [hippo, Jan 04 2020]
Steamer duck
https://en.wikipedi...g/wiki/Steamer_duck Hotter than your average duck .. ? [8th of 7, Jan 04 2020]
On including animals in the package to maintain a suitable temperature
http://www.todayifo...st-soviet-invasion/ mainly for 8/7 [Loris, Jan 05 2020]
Pipefish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipefish They might have been designed for the job ... [8th of 7, Jan 06 2020]
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// . Other products, such as perishable food or lab supplies are shipped cold, packaged in an insulated box with plenty of dry ice. So long as your package arrives with any unsublimated CO2, you know it has been at -78C for the entire journey**. // |
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"And from that moment on, the BorgCo team working on the design and development of the new Schrödinger cat-carrier box knew that success was assured... " |
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We will bun the idea for the inspiration it has provided, but also because it is in fact a good idea. However, the same effect of a near-constant low level heat source could be achieved, without any wiring, by using a suitably sized block of radioisotope; glassfied waste would be fine, as long as the heat output per unit mass was known. |
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Since the BorgCo design already includes a radioisotope source, little modification is needed. |
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//could be achieved, without any wiring, by using a suitably
sized block of radioisotope;// |
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All we need is a way of modulating radioactive decay at will
to match the demands of the changing environment. I've put
in a request with the physics dept. marked "action this day".
If they can't crack it, I reckon I can put together some kind
of pile with reactor-control rod mechanism based on those
bimetallic strips that so consistently produce perfect toast. |
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Your wax-pellet thermostat is the answer there; have it open ventilation louvres when the cargo reaches optimum temperature. The system will then self-regulate, presuming that you don't get the isotope blocks close enough and in sufficient quantity for prompt neutrons to cause... problems. |
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This all sounds very complicated. |
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Instead, just use a bunch of those chemical handwarmers
(the ones that crystallize and release heat). The
handwarmers are usually activated by pressing a rough
metal disc - the local stresses are enough to initiate the
crystallization, which then propagates thoughout the
pounch, releasing
warmthness. |
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So, suppose you want your tropical shrimp kept above 25°C.
You just need a chemical heater in which the metal disc is
replaced by one of those disc-shaped bimetal things, that
"pops" when it gets below 25°C. Hey presto, as soon as the
temperature falls too low, the chemical heater delivers a
burst of heat. |
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Now, a single heater will be a once-only warmer. However,
if you put several of them into the polystyrene box (each
one capable of warming the water by maybe 3°C), they will
all activate at slightly different temperatures due to
inherent inaccuracies. So, when the water temperature
dips below 25.2°C, the first one will fire, heating the water
to 28.2°C. When the water cools to 25.1°C, another one
will fire, restoring 28.1°C. Etc etc until all have been used. |
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As a bonus, you can re-set all the heaters by popping them
in boiling water, and use them again next time. |
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Which one triggers the mechanism that breaks the vial of poison ? |
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Cats are widely believed to be homeothermic, and therefore
don't require in-transit heating. And no, it's not worth trying
it to find out for sure. |
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Really ? Gay cats ? Who knew, huh ? |
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Yes, but they tend to keep it to themselves. |
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//thermal runaway, which isn't spectacular with standard
cells// |
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What about standard cells surrounded by a flammable
hydrocarbon, such as wax? Would they get more spectacular
then? |
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No thanks, I've just had a coffee. |
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I agree with Max - most animals self-regulate
temperature pretty well, so just ship your package
inside a larger package which contains a cat, fox,
raccoon, bobcat****, dingo, mountain lion, or hyena,
depending on the size of package and what animals
are locally available and this will ensure a constant
temperature |
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Technically speaking, most animals are not homeothermic
(there are, for instance, an awful lot of nematodes in the
world, and a shocking number of beetles). However,
including
a mammal in the shipping container is a commendable idea. |
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It would be convenient, if shipping tropical fish, to include
an
aquatic mammal or bird - preferably one not known to eat
tropical
fish. A krill-eating whale, or even a dolphin (with its beak
glued shut) would meet the need. Ducks could be used for
small packages, with the bonus of being edible after use. |
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It would be important to select the right species, though; use a Steamer duck <link> by mistake, and the package might boil dry by the time it's delivered... |
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//if shipping tropical fish,// |
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Why limit this to shipping, by simply building a smaller tank
inside my existing aquarium, I could add a suitable rodent
and remove the need for a heater. A small tube could be
used to supply the creature with the relatively negligable
volumes of water they drink, although some sort of valve is
advised as starting a syphon could make a mess. |
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Rather than using a rodent, you would be better off with a Water Otter ... |
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You need to think bigger, [bs]. Build a whale tank, and then
have a smaller aquarium in the middle for the shrimp and
guppies. |
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Whales seem to be a good choice for the enthusiastic
aquarist. They don't seem to suffer from ich, and if you
Google "problems with pet whales", you get very few hits. |
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// whales seem to be a good choice for the enthusiastic aquarist. // |
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Is there a potential market to be exploited in the breeding and sale of bonsai cetaceans ? |
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After all, there is no upper limit to what aquarium-obsessed fanatics will spend money on, and a 20cm long orca would be a fascinating pet. |
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//You need to think bigger, [bs].// |
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After a little consideration, I realized that the aquarium
seems to be built inside a large tempeature controlled
mammalian habitat, strange how I didn't spot that. |
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Well, be careful. Some mammals are quite toothy. |
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//if shipping tropical fish// - surely it would be more efficient to deliver fish through the mains water network? |
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//a large tempeature controlled mammalian habitat// Planet Earth. You are proposing to set up a parcel delivery company that just puts the parcel on the ground and waits for the rotation of the Earth to carry it the distance required, and then contacts the recipient telling them that their parcel is ready to collect? |
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We fail to see the flaw in that. After all, it's impossible to be more than 20,000 km from any point on your planet's surface to any other point, which in astronomic terms (even in terms of your own planetary system) is "right on your doorstep". |
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//surely it would be more efficient to deliver fish through
the mains water network?// |
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With a few tweaks, I can see this work. Firstly, the water
quality here in the US will need to improve to support
life. Heating to 23-24c. Solve the chlorine,Worse, is
chloramine. Replace copper piping, it's acutely toxic to
the invertibrates.North America is largely a rocky
wasteland scraped clean by glaciation and as such there's
a lot of dissolved rock/hard water. OK for the African
cichlids but most tropical fish will need reverse osmosis
on the front end and some strategic re-salting. |
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The last consideration would be the 2-3 paralell systems
we'd require to separate the predator and prey fish. Apart
from that, we're good. |
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//separate the predator and prey fish// Not necessarily.
Depending on the diameter of the pipes (and fish), they may
not be able to turn around to eat one another. |
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You could probably find an incredibly bony, robust vegetarian
fish to use as a buffer between predators and prey. |
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We got your perfect species right here ... <link> |
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I'm not sure. To a predator, pipefish look an awful lot like
breadsticks. |
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Is there a predator that specifically targets breadsticks ? |
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Yes, although technically it's a weevil. However, imagine
yourself as a piranha, confined in a seemingly endless pipe,
and with something that looks crunchy and edible only an inch
in front of you. |
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//incredibly bony, robust vegetarian fish// |
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Take of the "fish" part, and that's just large snails. Failing
that, the common pleco is big, armored and prefers wood to
fish. |
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// However, imagine yourself as a piranha, confined in a seemingly endless pipe, and with something that looks crunchy and edible only an inch in front of you. // |
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We're starting to feel a strange affinity to Nicola Sturgeon ... very disturbing ... |
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Who the heck is Nicola Sturgeon? Did you make that up?
WHOA - hang on a moment. This could explain something
that's been puzzling me. I kept hearing this name mentioned
on the radio during the run-up to the general election, and
kept wondering why this Nicholas Tergeon never appeared on
TV. Now it all makes sense. |
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