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Unlike most theme parks, which attempt to amuse, excite and entertain, OrwellWorld - based of course of George Orwell's dystopian novel "1984" - is drab, cheerless and bleak.
The visitors are under constant surveillance by the management from the first moment they arrive; there are CCTV cameras everywhere,
and huge screens which constantly blare out "prolefeed" - simplistic propaganda, demonizing the "enemies" of the State, and exalting the regime including their front man, Big Brother. Truth- and content-free, the endless stream of mindless rubbish is carefully engineered by the Ministry of Truth to keep the watchers in a state of bemused docility.
If you're not fooled, though, best not to show it; in this surveillance society, the Thought Police are ever vigilant, and the slightest word, gesture, even the wrong look or facial expression, and you'll be whisked away to be "re-educated". No deviation from the Party line, however insane it seems, is tolerated. Dissent is ruthlessly crushed.
All the food establishments serve identical heavily-subsidised but poor-quality, bland, disappointing meals and beverages. Almost everyone walks, or uses the slow, unreliable mass transit systems, as although private vehicles are permitted they are only allocated to senior members of the Inner Party, who can afford the ridiculously high fuel prices.
But the best thing about OrwellWorld is it's absolutely free to get in. You don't even need to travel anywhere.
Just walk out through your front door ...
Eurasia's coming along just fine.
https://www.caughto...-cameras-in-london/
[doctorremulac3, Dec 26 2018]
The First Amendment
https://en.wikipedi...States_Constitution
[doctorremulac3, Dec 26 2018]
Make a joke that offends the ruling elite...
https://www.bbc.com...asgow-west-43478925
...get arrested. [doctorremulac3, Dec 26 2018]
You have complete freedom of speech in England.
https://www.indepen...ondon-a7064246.html
As long as you say what the government allows you to say. [doctorremulac3, Dec 26 2018]
And be sure to visit Big Brother's website that explain hate crime arrests and guidelines.
https://www.gov.uk/...-wales-2017-to-2018
Please note: GOV.UK uses cookies to make the site "simpler". [doctorremulac3, Dec 26 2018]
Book Burning in America
https://newrepublic...huac-and-eisenhower
[xenzag, Dec 26 2018]
More book burning in America
http://www.constant...n-the-21st-century/
[xenzag, Dec 26 2018]
Censorship of artworks in America
https://interactive...artistic-censorship
[xenzag, Dec 26 2018]
The way to start every day.
https://www.blackri...variant=34453567110
[doctorremulac3, Dec 26 2018]
A week in Xinjiang
https://palladiumma...surveillance-state/
Already baked in China [Selky, Dec 26 2018]
Orville
https://www.youtube...watch?v=TGnuMxFnc1k
[xenzag, Dec 27 2018]
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Nice, the greylight zone between all those important places , and actions that make us something in life. |
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Sounds exactly like North America. |
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Sp. "Oceania", of which Airstrip One is a province. |
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This sounds like you've been to Labor party conference
recently, or a Conservative one, actually just about any of
them they're all pretty much as bad as each other, you
should
check out the Greens next time those guys are insane,
literally. |
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I found their last manifesto when I read it really quite
amusing (if you can define "amusing" as petrified & pants
wetingly horrified with a soupcon of terror tinged with a
faint corona of relief that it can't possibly happen). I woke
screaming for months after I read it last time (or was it the
time before last?.. no matter). Sometimes I didn't even
need to go to sleep first. |
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Ah, I see, so should we call someone or will necking the rest
of the eggnog do the trick? |
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That's very strange. When I walk out of my front door, all I
can see is the sequoia avenue. |
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//Sounds exactly like North America// |
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Not if you go North enough... and if you go far enough North they'll cut you a check at the end of every year you don't get arrested for anything. |
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Just be glad it isn't Privet Drive ... |
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// they're all pretty much as bad as each other, // |
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Yes, that's the problem with representative democracy. |
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// check out the Greens next time those guys are insane, literally. // |
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Just because they want everyone to renounce advanced technology such as fire and the use of edged tools, and live in wattle-and-daub huts on a diet of raw vegetables doesn't necessarily mean they're actually insane. |
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But it's a reasonable conclusion based on the available evidence. |
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// so should we call someone // |
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No need. The Thought Police have been monitoring you and will be round directly to take you to Room 101 for an enlightening chat with Mr. O'Brien. |
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// or will necking the rest of the eggnog do the trick? // |
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Ignorance of the system means everything is fine.
So
//a very dark place//
on normal probabilities, not. |
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[xenzag] you'd be pleasantly surprised you can still get a
car anywhere in North America. Try to not get your
reeducation interfere too much with reality. |
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Thought crime is a natural evolution of a society where
most wear their politics on their social feed, where
conveniently enough you can look up things that used to
be ok, but are now forbidden. |
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The purges of 2035, when everyone must become vegan
and they dredge up all those foodie pictures they put on
Instagram, are going to be particularly fun |
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//Sounds exactly like North America.
— xenzag,// |
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Have to get your two
minute hate on eh? Is "Xenzag" a play on "xenophobe"?
Gotta
wonder
what hole in your life that hatred is filling because
you cling
to it like it's the most important thing on Earth. |
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You live in a place where you can get arrested
for making a joke on line that offends the ruling elite. We
have a first amendment that
you've never ever heard of. You'll be Googling it
after you read this. |
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And care to guess how many security cameras
there are surveilling the citizens of London? Take a
wild guess then click the link. Hint: The average Londoner
is caught on camera 300 times a day. Hell, you've even
got your Emmanuel Goldstein in the form of Donald
Trump. |
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Before you start calling Oceana might want to start
looking at your own Eurasia. |
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//you can get arrested for making a joke on line that
offends the ruling elite// Well, no, not in fact. Prince
Charles has stupidly large ears. No problemo. |
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//We have a first amendment that you've never ever heard
of// Well, again, I'd have to slightly disagree, inasmuch as
the average Brit or European (have to get used to using that
'or' now) is probably familiar with the first amendment
(perhaps not the exact wording, but how many Americans
can quote it verbatim? And how many English laws can you
quote?). |
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We don't have the absoluteness of your 1st, but there is
plenty of case history that establishes much of what you
seek from the first amendment, and which is quite robust.
Freedom of the press and freedom of speech are pretty
vigorously defended. Our laws are also capable of being
updated or adapted should the realities of life change
between, say, 1791 and 2019. |
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On the other hand, we can and do take action against, say,
an islamic fundamentalist who preaches hate or violence;
under your 1st, presumably he can carry on and the law
can't intervene until someone is killed. It sort of cuts both
ways. |
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Nothing against the 1st Amendment, but please don't imply
that we in the UK have no freedoms or are ignorant of how
things work in other countries. Of course, I can't speak for
the French. |
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Argument: "I"ve made a joke and didn't get
arrested
so that means the linked incident of somebody
making a joke on line and getting prosecuted never
happened." |
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Rebuttle: Sigh. (See link.) |
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I didn't say you were un-familiar with the First
Amendment, I said Xenzag was. |
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And can I ask a question? What's with all this
hatred of America you guys are indoctrinated with?
We used to be friends. I understand the leftists
need to divide to conquor, but damn! How is it
working so well? |
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It's a shame, but I guess we're just due for our
regularly scheduled world conflagration. Been a
regular event for thousands of years, don't see why
anything would change, I just never saw us being
on opposite sides. |
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I myself love England and most of the English
people. |
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And oh yea, almost forgot, [+] for the idea. |
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Perhaps not the best example of what you're trying to
demonstrate (that offending the "ruling elite" won't
necessarily result in censure), he's not exactly one of the
"ruling" elite last I looked, neither is the Queen if we're
being
honest, & he's not even Queen yet. |
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//but how many Americans can quote it verbatim?// |
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Given the way I've always understood it to be rammed down
their throats from their equivalent of primary school on up,
much like the lords prayer at school assembly here
used to
be (is it still by the way?), I'd imagine the answer is
quite a lot? |
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With a few notable exceptions early indoctrination can
really be quite effective. |
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//We don't have the absoluteness of your 1st// |
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Personally I wish we did, though perhaps something a bit
more succinct ([8th] is going to spit here) like the French
one. |
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//an islamic fundamentalist who preaches hate or violence;
under your 1st, presumably he can carry on and the law
can't intervene// |
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Only if he's an American citizen, I don't think it's protections
extend to non-citizens do they? |
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//Argument// Yes, in that instance the guy was arrested
for getting his dog to do a Nazi salute to statements like
"gas the Jews" (I didn't read about him making a joke
against the 'ruling elite' - presumably the PM or the royal
family? But we have plenty of people who do that already
and it's fine). It's possible that we in Europe are over-
sensitive about things like Nazis, but on the other hand, I'm
not too worried about the rights of a neo-Nazi, if I'm honest. |
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//question// I suspect part of it is that you guys have more
money than we do, which will always lead to certain
amount of ribbing. Gun law, of course, will always provoke
heated debate, because we think you're barmy and you
think we're barmy. |
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Another factor is probably the economic imperialism of the
US, by which I mean the tendency of the US to homogenise
foreign cultures by means of economic power. To be fair,
the English did exactly the same thing, though more often
through military means. As individuals (and including you,
[doc]), I like most Americans. Most of my family is, in fact,
American. As a nation, though, you do rather set yourselves
up to be disliked, and electing Trump has not exactly
helped. |
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//he's not exactly one of the ruling elite// I was trying to
guess who [doc] was referring to by "ruling elite". But, if it's
the PM, we in the UK are awash with comedians, satirists
and humorists who regularly lampoon pretty much all of our
politicians. My understanding is that I can say whatever I
like about our PM; if I say "she'll be at this place on this
date, and somebody ought to shoot her from this vantage
point", I might be in trouble if I said it in context that made
it apparent I was sincere; and if I say "she has molested
small children", she could take action against me for slander
or libel, again depending on the context in which I'd said it.
(As an aside, the royal family have a policy of seldom - if
ever - suing for slander or libel.) |
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//Only if he's an American citizen// I don't know whether
the 1st amendment applies to non-citizens in the US. But
there are something like 3 million US citizens who profess to
being muslim - about the same as the number of UK
muslims, though against a smaller overall population. That
was just an example. |
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That's blatant Xenazgism (is that a thing?). |
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But at least [xenzag]'s safe :) |
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Don't like Xenzag either, but I really hate Xenazg. |
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(Note to self: don't type angry.) |
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// blatant Xenazgism (is that a thing?). // |
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We sincerely hope so. Several multinational corporations have been covertly paying us a lot of money to promote the concept. |
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// homogenise foreign cultures by means of economic power. // |
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While not exactly ethical, it may be infinitely preferable to homogenising foreign cultures by means of, for example, a wood chipper ... |
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I'm not easily bullied. As for freedom of speech in
North America; there are numerous expressions
that cannot be voiced, and of course there is the
ever present threat of being gunned down by one
of the hundreds of millions of guns people need
there to be safe from each other's frequent
tendence
towards violent lunacy. |
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It's just a population control measure [xen], the Chinese had
the one child rule, the Americans let their populace run
around with semi automatic weapons, we're still trying to
work out from the statistical models which method works
best before we inflict it on the rest of the world. |
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<pauses to wonder how free Americans were to express
Communist opinions, not so very long ago> |
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actually, [MB], pretty free. One of the ironies of PC is how
quickly those who were raised on the horrors of McCarthyism
and blacklisting feel free to say "you have a right to an
opinion, but not a job". |
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As to [xenzag]'s one-note anti-Americanism, a broken clock
is at least right once a day. Something to strive for. |
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//you have a right to an opinion, but not a job// That was
sort of what I was getting at. The first amendment only
protected your freedom to incriminate yourself. |
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I guess my more general point was that "freedom of speech" is
whatever your government (any government) chooses to give
you at the time. If they sufficiently dislike what you are
saying, they will of course find a way to keep you silent. |
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yes, but that there are practical limits to this freedom
does
not mean it is not palpably larger than elsewhere. And
while
it takes the occasional hit, even major hit like with the
Patriot Act, it is constantly being tested, and typically
being
enlarged, in the courts. |
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The recent more Orwellian developments are more akin
to
the Body Snatchers than to 1984. They're much more
biological than governmental |
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//more Orwellian developments are more akin to the Body
Snatchers than to 1984// |
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You're not proposing the best way to deal with that is to
just
smash their heads in with fire axe while they're still in their
pods are you? |
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I'm.. not sure I could (wholeheartedly) disagree,
but it does sound a touch extreme :) |
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If you taught a parrot to repeat an expression
containing the 'n' word, would
you be allowed to broadcast the results on
American mainstream television? |
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You're on the Halfbakery in 2018. Television? Have you
heard of Youtube? |
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You also can't say cunt, and NBC does not broadcast people
defecating, though it has no problems showing people that
are full of shit. That's your criteria for the failings
of the 1st Amendment? |
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//I'm not easily bullied// |
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But you sure bully others easily enough. If you want to
know the difference between bully and defender, the
person who starts it is the bully. |
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With all respect Max, we're at the stage over here of
private organizations blocking certain posts and points of
view which is their right, it's their platform. I don't agree
with it but I believe they have a right to do it. Your gov is
actually arresting people for making jokes. That's not an
empty allegation. I think that's chilling. Prince Charles has
big ears? Try saying he's part of the elitist plot to import
certain groups to change the demographic to one that
affords the government more control over the indigenous
population who may pose a threat to their power base.
True or not, give it a shot. My suggestion is that you don't.
They may not arrest you today, but you're likely to get on
a watch list. |
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Or here's a better idea. How about we all be nice to each
other, if only for the holidays? (He said as they dragged
him to the town square to be stoned.) |
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On a tangential disparaging note (& with no reference to the
politics of the individual intended), does that panda eyed
orange pod person in the oval office that appears to have
stolen one of Boris's hairpieces honestly think that's a good
look do you think? |
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Personally I'd be embarrassed to go out in
public looking like that :) |
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My point is that there numerous statements; words
even, that you are not 'free' to make. There are
serious consequences. Say what you want, but if
you say any of 'this', you'll be out of a job, or even
worse. It's not that long ago that Beatles records
were being burnt in America. |
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If you don't understand the difference between a protest by
private individuals who paid for Beatles records with their
own money and then burned them, and an official
government ban of those records being sold or played over
the radio, well, I'm not sure where to start. |
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I'd have to agree with [doc] there, only a little while back
some protesters against the Iraq war (or was it the Afghan
one
they were protesting?) were actually jailed for burning a
Union Jack they'd bought
with their own money, during a peaceful protest, in
the UK, sent shivers up my spine that. |
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I'm not sure they'd have fared any better if it had been in
the
US though so that doesn't really do your argument any
favors
either [doc]. |
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//This coming week on Nov. 5 (Guy Fawkes Day in the UK), a
battered women’s refuge in England will be hosting a public
book burning of Fifty Shades of Grey, calling it a manual for
abuse.// |
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Wasn't the Christmas song "baby it's cold outside"
recently banned from the airwaves in America for
being too suggestive? Ha |
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//I'm not sure they'd have fared any better if it had
been in the US though so that doesn't really do your
argument any favors ether [doc]// |
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A citizens right to burn the American flag was tested by the
Supreme Court of the United States. |
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^ Really, what was the verdict? |
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It's protected by the First Amendment. |
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Xen, do you bother to read any of the posts you're linking
too? You're just typing in "American censorship" and
linking without reading that each link you post shows that
every attempt has been shut down. |
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We have no banned books, you can get all the
pornography you want and you can burn the American
flag. You're referring to battles the defenders of freedom
of speech have won or in one case, a private industry
electing to put age warnings on their product. |
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How about picking another group of people to bully?
You're just embarrassing yourself attacking mine. |
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//Fifty Shades of Grey// ha - Burn after reading of
course. |
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OK, I smiled at that one. |
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Wishing you a peaceful holiday and a happy new year Xen. |
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Thank you for a spirited debate eh? |
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//You're just embarrassing yourself attacking mine// |
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I don't think it would make any difference, it's the critical
thinking & choice of
attack vector that's doing him damage,
a change of target won't help with that? but it should be
pointed out he's not embarrassing himself, it's clear
from observation he's had his embarrassment gland removed
:) |
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[xenzag]'s criticism of the 1st Amendment's supposed
limitations reminds me of the old Soviet era joke where a
Westerner tells a Soviet citizen that "we have freedom's
here. I can stand in front of the White House and call the
President an idiot", where the Soviet citizen promptly
responds by saying that "big deal, I can stand on Red
Square and call your President an idiot too!". |
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Of course the real joke was that in fact a Soviet citizen
could not even do that, and, unless it was a previously
sanctioned or state sponsored demonstration, would like
have been at the very least question or perhaps arrested
even for doing that, as freedom of assembly and speech
was not guaranteed. |
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<puts on Peacemaker hat. Hopes nobody notices that it is
out of a cracker and has "Pacemaker" crayoned across it.> |
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Gentlemen and madamoiselles, I think the point is that the
US and the UK are roughly equivalent when it comes to
freedom of speech. In the US, it's embodied in the First
Amendment, and courts can judge whether any particular
instance is an exception to that amendement or not. In the
UK, it's embodied by case law that is regularly challenged,
defended and questioned on a case-by-case basis. In both
countries, social activism imposes an additional and
independent level of control over what can and can't be
said in practice, regardless of the law. The end result is
roughly similar across the two countries, and considerably
more indulgent than soviet Russia or North Korea, for which
we should all be grateful. |
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I'm sure that for every instance of someone being either
arrested or lynched or publicly shamed for saying something
in one country, there'll be a counterpart in the other using
either the same or alternate means. As for the restriction
on profanities in the US, I'm all for it - I hate cunts who
swear. |
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The only real issue I have concerns the American usage of
the word "beverage", as I may have alluded to earlier. |
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<Takes off hat; squeezes temples and wonders why he has
had this sudden outburst of reasonableness.> |
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all this time I thought you guys were simply saying "can't" |
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LOL. (Actually a smile and a "snarf" sound but we've covered
that before.) |
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Incidentally, and completely irrelevant to almost everything
(if not absolutely everything), I have discovered during my
times in the US that there is one word that Americans simply
cannot use. It is "bloody". I have even tried to help
Americans use it, but it simply refuses to work. Maybe it's the
same as the English inability to use the word "dang". |
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They don't know what wankers are either. (or
mingers) |
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"Wank" means to... uh... self pleasure here so I always
assumed that "wankers" was the British equivalent of our
"jerk
offs". |
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I'm not going to google it though. |
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Hmmmm ... this idea has become more contentious than we could ever imagine ... |
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"Good ! Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you !" |
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//Hmmmm ... this idea has become more contentious
than we could ever imagine ...// |
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//Let the hate flow through you!// |
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It's how I start my day. That and coffee. (link) |
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You owe me now. (8th) Payment (substantial and
possibly severe) will be collected at a time, place
and manner of my choosing. |
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"Oh no, young Jedi. You will find that it is you who are mistaken - about a great many things. Give in to your anger ... with each passing moment you make yourself more my servant..." |
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Isn't embarrassment a young emotion? One born of hiding and running rather than experiencing time and seeing the whole situation with it's quantified level of matter.
Is the American public embarrassed that it voted in Trump? Is the English public embarrassed by Brexit? |
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< isolated point thought/> |
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// Is the American public embarrassed that it voted in Trump? // |
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Clearly not, based on the outcome of the mid-term elections. |
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// Is the English public embarrassed by Brexit? // |
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Some might be; they are more embarrassed by the blatant ineptitude of their elected representatives, who do not seem to grasp the essential of English foreign policy since 1125 AD, which boils down to "These are merely foreigners; you don't negotiate with them, you just kill lots of them, and smash up their countries until they do what you tell them." |
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//Is the English public embarrassed by Brexit?// |
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Well I'm not (can't speak for anyone else mind), bloody
annoyed they haven't got on with it & taken us out already
would be more like it for my feelings on the matter. |
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//Is the American public embarrassed that it voted in
Trump?// |
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Why, because of that silly fake tan? or the polemic so often
off target tweeting? I imagine most Americans will simply
ask themselves if enough of the things they wanted to
happen have happened or not & then feel let down or
happy depending on the answer, much like most Brits in the
same situation I doubt personal embarrassment ever really
comes into the equation. |
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<Raises two fingers at Johnny Foreigner/> |
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// Is the English public embarrassed by Brexit? // Pretty
much what they said. Brexit, remain - either is OK. But I am
utterly mortified at the utter shambles our politicians (of all
parties, and leavers as well as remainers) have made of it.
It's an absolute national disgrace. Every single politician in
the country should be taken out and shot. Right now. Then
shot again to make sure. |
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(And no, I won't be arrested for saying that.) |
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(only for doing it, or actively encouraging others to do it) |
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You might be watched a tad more closely to make sure you're
not stockpiling any more cartridges than strictly necessary
for the Buchanan estate's annual pheasant shoot though.. by
the way, I don't seem to have received my invite yet this year? |
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You probably don't want to go. Annoyed by the below-normal stocks of game birds, Sturton engaged on a surreptitious programme of selective breeding. When that didn't produce results fast enough, he resorted to genetic modification. |
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Initially, results were encouraging; clutch size increased from eight or so up to two dozen. Then, adding in some Ostrich genes produced much larger specimens. But then he got ambitious, and (having worn out his DVD of Jurassic Park) started tinkering with prehistoric DNA. |
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Now, it might still have been alright, if he hadn't decided that Velociraptor was a good thing to add to the blend ... |
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It's not like the old days. Or rather, it is like the old days - the very old days - when two metre tall bipedal lizards roamed the land, predating everything in sight ... |
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// Every single politician in the country should be taken out and shot. // |
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We are obliged to strongly disagree. By precedent, traitors to the Crown were either hung, drawn and quartered, or burnt at the stake. |
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Shooting's too good for them; too quick, not painful enough. Something more inventive, more redolent of gratuitous brutality and pointless suffering, like hanging, drawing, and then quartering them while they're on fire, would be much more satisfactory. |
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^ It's comments like this that make me want to post an idea
demanding the ability to shower annotations with
croissants..
and then I remember that idea has
already
been posted (hasn't it?) & I can only bestow the one pastry
(that I
think?) I
already have
on it :) |
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Might I suggest the small addition of flaying before we
start on the rest of it? |
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Of course. Flaying it is. Perhaps some salt to sprinkle on the wounds, too ? |
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//Sturton engaged on a surreptitious programme of selective
breeding// |
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Noted, I'll break out the large gauge elephant gun for this year
then. |
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Salt? I've a rather large shipment of Wasabi oil I've been having
trouble offloading, I thought we might try that. |
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//Sturton engaged on a surreptitious programme of
selective breeding// |
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(a) Nothing Sturton ever does is surreptitious, even though
most of the things he does should be. |
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(b) We do actually have Buchanan-estate strain of
partridge. They have an unusual reflex reaction to shock or
injury, which causes intense muscle spasms and rigidity.
The advantage is that if they're shot, they enter an
uncontrolled dive and end up landing like arrows, beak-first
into the peatland. This makes it easier to go around and
collect them later. Last year, I had one partridge take out
a pheasant when it landed, which was much celebrated. |
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// Buchanan-estate strain of partridge. // |
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You are presumably referring to the flock of agressive carnivorous creatures with ten metre leathery wings, that have colonized the South-West observatory tower ? |
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Those are pterodactyls, not partridges. Partridges are small, ground-dwelling avians that forage in fields and hedgerows. They are not renowned for swooping down from high altitude and snatching up adult sheep, which they then carry off to their roost, and devour. |
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Tearing that page out of the Ladybird Book of Dinosaurs and sticking it into your copy of The Oxford Book of British Flying Creatures (amending the title with a marker pen doesn't fool anyone) does not make them into birds. |
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And having looked through the mysterious new "errata" section that's been stapled to the back, we suspect that J. K. Rowling's legal team may want to have a chat about copyright. |
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//the flock of agressive carnivorous creatures with ten metre
leathery wings// I think you'll find that's a flock of lawyers. |
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I keep reading this idea as OrvilleWorld.
See youtube link (pssst - Orville is one of 8th's favourite characters) |
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You're quite right; Orville is truly one of the all-time greats, indeed he has god-like status. |
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He and his brother Wilbur achieved amazing things. |
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