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Hat tip to Krige55, who would have stumbled on this eventually I'm sure.
Assumes that schools are able to convince parents that their child or children would benefit by moving ahead a grade from time to time.
Dinosaurs playing with children..
http://www.religion...4/creation-museum-2
this place tells you all you need to know about the American education system - hilarious, but frightening [xenzag, Dec 07 2007]
The Temple of Quantum Computing
http://www.toqc.com/
A layman's introduction to quantum computers and the theory behind them. Contains errors but is nonetheless a good introduction to the subject. [Bad Jim, Jan 02 2009]
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The whole public school system is bunk. Kids should be designing computer programs or building models on solidworks by the time they turn 13. This is easily obtainable by having them "play" more advanced computer games in school. Let's face it, they get bored if they don't. [+] |
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I don't understand what the actual idea is.
(I seem to say that a lot these days.) |
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I think someone ought to explain how the
American school system works, for those
of us familiar only with the English
educational system. |
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What exactly is "Norming", and what on
earth is the point of ensuring no child has
an unfair advantage? Do you drug the
smart ones? |
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//Do you drug the smart ones?// - you
send them to the museum in the link
for re-programming. |
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Your link refers to the "American
education system" - "school system",
shirley? |
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Dull students are bored students, right!? I always thought that school would be more fun if it was about playing video and computer games instead of listening to boring teachers. If school was about playing games instead of listening to lectures, then no child would be left behind because they'd always want to be at school "playing". I believe that playing computer games has a lot more to teach children than just what they get at home or at school, but it's just a matter of having them "play" or experiment with the right stuff. |
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Perhaps the schools of the future could hold competitions whereby children will compete against each other to be the very best at what they do, like player VS. player arcade mode, but with science and math games. |
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The alarming thing is that I can't tell if that
was meant to be ironic. |
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Actually maybe I should just keep my
mouth shut and be grateful. |
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I believe that child labor doesn't have to be considered "labor" anymore if the child enjoys doing it. I don't think that children enjoy laboring in schools because it is not intellectually satisfying, i.e. it is boring for the children and therefore it seems like work to them. By modern standards, I'd say that "public schools" is a politically correct term for "child labor camps". |
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//I believe that playing computer games has a lot more to teach children than just what they get at home or at school, but it's just a matter of having them "play" or experiment with the right stuff.// |
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Given the trend for the netizens of the earth towards unsocialized basement bunker-dwelling mountain-dew addicts with acute cases of aspberger's syndrome, I will have to vehemently disagree with most of that. |
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what they really need to do is make school similar to the job world, the "assignments" actually mean something and the student who does the worst on the assignment gets fired. That way, a high school diploma will actually mean something. Today (in America, at least) students can graduate from high school without doing any work. |
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They just need to make school harder. Period. |
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<understanding sort of>
Ah.
</understanding sort of> |
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At my primary school (in the 80's), I used to get sent up a year/grade for various subjects that I was considered good at. There was also a half-day workshop once a week for the smart-arses where we did problem solving/applied maths/applied science/economics etc. etc. Is that the kind of thing you mean? |
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If this idea made any sense, I'd MFD it as advocacy. (I'm giving rcarty a random croissant for that bus-under-the-bridge comment.) |
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So this idea is the opposite of having to repeat a year. However it doesn't quite work in the same way, the child would miss a year of learning. The only way it could work is if there was a fast-track programme where 2 years worth of work was covered in 1 year. |
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I'm sure that having 1 school in every 15-20 dedicated to this would be beneficial. Each school would send the top 1 or 2 kids in a class there for a year and they would skip to a higher year when they return. I assume that most parents/kids would be willing to travel the extra distance. |
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NCLB is an absolute mockery of the ideals of education. It constrains the teacher and the student both, and enforces an arbitrary ideal of student achievment. Worst of all, the achievment goals are lackluster at best. |
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Following a disciplinary disaster at my son's high school - this was immediately following the VA Tech shooting, my son was involved, and absolutely innocent of any wrongdoing - I pulled both my kids out of the public schools and started homeschooling. And I've never looked back. |
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My kids are self-directed. They are reading books about five times faster than their former classmates, and reading three and four grades above their classmates' levels. They're taking college-level science - the chemistry is utterly incomprehensible to me, and the older kid gets it with no trouble. Where they're taking comparable courses to what their former classmates are, they're two-thirds finished with the year less than half done. |
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Sorry. NCLB triggers a kneejerk in me. So does public schooling. |
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In this era of NCLB, you'd be hard-pressed to get the school system to permit a kid to jump grades - if the kid is disinterested in class but testing well, that's good for the school's score overall, and screw whatever good or ill it does for the student. |
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State schools exist to provide a minimum level of education to everyone. It is a parent's responsibility to provide more than that minimum if they are able. State schools do not exist to get your kids into Oxvard. It's not fair, but it's fairer than it was before state schools and is probably the best that can be done on the moderate budgets they have. |
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//State schools do not exist to get your
kids into Oxvard.// They do in the UK.
Not that the English system is that great,
to be fair. |
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I went to a state school in the UK and one of my friends did go to Cambridge. Our school had 8 classes for each subject, so the top 'set' was the best 12.5%, which meant that even a genius would not be held back much by the rest of the class. The top maths set took the GCSE exam a year early and then did a statistics GCSE the following year. I was lucky though, I'm pretty sure it was above average. |
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See link to learn a little about quantum physics and interesting maths, young padawan. |
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