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NOS Hybrid
Can you build a Hybrid car that really moves? | |
I've been giving some thought to this whole hybrid car thing and I keep thinking about performance v.s what our gov't might be interested in.
Forgetting about emmisions for a moment, isn't it true that NOS systems give gas cars more Umph? If I could take this concept to the hybrid car (gas/electic
in this case). Wouldn't the use of a NOS System, supercharger /turbocharger still be applicable?
I've yet to visit a website that has any info. on the ultra-efficient engines these hybird cars use, but I'll guess that they could benefit from the inventions we already have out there.
Think about it, a Hybrid car that really MOVES!
Is this crazy, or have the enviornmentalists been breathing too much clean air?
Home of White Lightning "The World's Fastest Electric Car"
http://www.dwra.net/
Holds the Class III (+1,000 kg) record at 245.524 MPH. [phoenix, May 19 2002, last modified Oct 06 2004]
Spec. sheet for White Lightning II
http://www.dwra.net/spec.htm
0-100 mph in 8 seconds, using 6,040 C-Cells(NiMH). [phoenix, May 19 2002, last modified Oct 06 2004]
One last chart...
http://www.canosoar.../04LSRcar/LSR04.htm
...which details the acceleration. [phoenix, May 19 2002, last modified Oct 06 2004]
The tzero
http://www.acpropul...ages/tzero_home.htm
Added 24 Sep 03 | Priced "somewhere between a Porsche and a Ferrari" the tzero can make 0 to 60 in 4.1 secs. [bristolz, Oct 04 2004, last modified Oct 06 2004]
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I'm not at all sure what, exactly, is being proposed here. |
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He wants a Hybrid car that <Americanism>hauls ass</Americanism> |
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A hybrid car? What, part Ford, part boat and ...ehm...part tree? Is that what one is? |
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I think he is reffering to NOx engines, the kind that currently populate cars, and mix them with gas/electricity powered vehicles. |
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NOS would simply destroy the tiny engines that these cars use. The Prius for example has a 1.5L LPG engine, which is used under heavier loads and acceleration, but primarily it uses an electric motor for cruising. Gas is actually LPG, actual gas 'gas', not petrol, so NOS and artificial aspiration would work differently for it. |
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and NOS???? bottles of those costs money, no-one in the world would pay $50 each time they want to drive their car. |
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......and you go to all this trouble, just to move donkeys around the country? what a peculiar nation. |
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An electric car can go from 0 to Whatever in almost zero time anyway - just replace the accelerator pedal with an 'ON' switch. Controlled acceleration is a feature the namby-pamby insurance companies like. Hee-haw! |
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I agree with [phoenix] that, properly engineered, an electric motor could provide tremendous acceleration and all with an eerie silence. |
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This wouldn't be a problem if the guys in Washington would wake up and install steam catapult launchers on most roadways. Why do Navy pilots have to have all the fun? |
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Why not have a fossil fuel engine wind a spring at the most efficient rate, and let the spring run the car? A hybrid wind-up car! And when you need power just bypass the governor and let the spring unwind and roast the tires. |
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I like pathetic's idea...put a steam catapult at the start of each on-ramp and have a button in your car that signals when you're ready to go. Lots of fun, lower fuel consumption because the car doesn't have to do the work, and if you're on the highway you don't have to worry about swerving out of the way of some poor soul with a Geo Metro who can't get up to highway speed in the space alloted. |
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I have to mention the TZero sports car. Basicly its a small lightweight rear wheel driven electric car. It packs 200hp + goes faster 0-60 than a F355 modena, and runs a 1/8 mile quicker than a corvette Z06. It only has one gear ratio so it tops out at 80mph, however with a gearbox it'd be good for 150mph. In terms of power for weight and packaged volume electric motors are the one engine to rule them all. A 300hp electric motor i've seen was the size of beer keg. However its the weight of the battery pack that holds back electric cars.
It just shows that with the right engineering electric cars are good - if not better.
A hybrid engine in a performance application would be interesting. It'd ad a kick of power and torque whenever needed, could also double as traction control. It'd place no extra strain or modification requirments on the engine.
A 40kw (50hp) electric motor could be a bolt-on aftermarket modification for small cars. Which would have the same effect as a half shot of NOS with zero of the negative side effects. |
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<smallpoint> I don't think the Modena name came into play until the 360 which replaced the F355. |
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Strange...the Honda Insight (love mine...great car) does the exact opposite of the Prius if what [Apathy] says is true. The Insight uses a high-torque electric motor for the acceleration, then uses a 1.3L gas engine for maintaining velocities. That's essentially the way that current engines work: because of inertia, it takes very little power to maintain a car at a given velocity if the bearings are any good. Ergo, the massive engines we see (6.0L etc) are mostly for acceleration.
An electric motor, however, takes a massive amount of power to run at high velocities compared to an internal combustion engine. But because of the nature of electromagnetism, an electric motor can provide ridiculous torque at low speeds. |
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The insight therefore accelerates under electric power at low speeds with the gas engine OFF, then uses additional power from the electric motor to start the gas engine and maintain the car's speed. This gets 60-90 mpg if you have the wind behind you. |
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Finally, a Nitro system wouldn't really work. The insight's engine is built of ceramic and magnesium: Light and strong but brittle. An explosion as powerful as that of NOS-enhanced gas would probably fracture the engine somewhere. |
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In addition, battery technology is getting better evey day. Assuming cost is no object, you could replace the insight's current 144v Li-Ion battery pack with smaller, lighter (and therefore more) proton-polymer batteries. You might be able to get 300v out of it. Ergo, you could get twice as many watts of power; twice the horsepower. (about 93 normally, so 188 when modified. Wth a car that's less than 1/2 ton - all plastic and magnesium - thats a LOT) |
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A bunch of Texans sitting around a campfire: |
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Bob: "What's wrong with a hybrid car?" |
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Ted: "I know, it's too green" |
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Bob: "Lets add nitrous, that'll do it" |
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Sandy: "But what'll we do when the oil runs out" |
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Ted: "It's OK, we'll just kill a bunch of arabs and take theirs" |
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[Florida]: True, true. Then, discovering that the nitro still doesn't do it, they load it up with moonshine and gunpowder. |
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I think that rather than NOS, a large watchspring occupying the entire bottom the the car could be wound up by whichever engine was slacking off at the moment. This thing would be one stiff spring, and store a boatload of umph. When you needed it, you could deploy the spring which would feed the stored kinetic energy directly into the wheels- the same effect as nitro injection, but you dont have to remember to stock up on your nitro, and it is easier on the engine. |
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electronics+big capacitors+instant on switch=go fast......... |
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I would like to point out that we are already driving around sitting on tanks of volatile, inflammable liquid. If one were to get in an accident and a spark hit that stuff - look out! |
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Wouldn't the excess weight of the stickers proclaiming the use of nitrous offset any performance gains? |
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Using Nitrous Oxide in a car is flat out dangerous. They have a habbit of exploding at the worst of times. |
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http://www.healthyhome.net/pict1277.jpg |
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http://www.healthyhome.net/explosionPic14.jpg |
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a flying car speaker caused this hole:
http://www.healthyhome.net/explosionPic2.jpg |
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[Macwarrior], the Prius works the same as your Insight, and it runs on petrol, not LPG. [Apathy] is off his rocker. |
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