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There are two parts to this invention, the first one of
which is known to be old and widely known to have
existed: scrolls.
So far as I know, no one publishes books in scroll format
any more. Nevertheless, the ordinary paper-book
publishing process could easily be adapted for producing
scrolls.
They already start with large rolls of paper that
are processed by modern printing presses. Just change
the
orientation of the printing to remove the need to cut the
paper into segments, and so the print can flow
seamlessly along the
length of the paper-roll.
Make cuts only near the beginning and the end of the
book.
Add appropriate scroll rods, although the first could be
added near the start of the printing process, so that the
scroll can be wound around that rod as fast as the
printed
continuous sheet exits the printer. If the last part of the
book is printed first, and the first part printed last, then
the rolled-up text on the scroll-rod will be fully prepared
for reading by scrolling. Perhaps put the whole thing
into
a nice carrying case, and then sell.
The second invention is something that ought to have
existed ages ago, but I never heard of such a thing,
before,
so....
We know that cranks and gears existed in ancient times,
and therefore there should have existed a device into
which one can insert the two rods of a scroll, separated
by
a length of unrolled scroll (perhaps 15-20 centimeters, or
6-8 inches),
and by turning the crank one can scroll through the book
quite efficiently. Move the crank from one scroll-rod to
the other, and the book can be re-wound for the next
person who wants to read it.
That's all.
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Well, that WAS all, until now, a few days after the
original post (it is now the 15th).
The above Idea doesn't say anything about the fact that I
only described printing on one side of the scroll. It has
occurred to me that we could arrange printing half the
book on each side, in a particular way.
Then, when the reader has finished half the book, the
scroll-holding device can be turned over, and the process
of scrolling through the 2nd half of the book, while
reading it, becomes the same action as rewinding the
first half of the book to the beginning.
The net result is that no one need to think about putting
extra effort into rewinding the scroll for the next reader
(and only half as much paper is needed for printing,
also).
A modification to the reading-device could be
appropriate, too. We could consider the basic thing to
consist of a rectangle of rods. The two longer rods
would be associated with the length of unscrolled paper,
and these rods would also extend past the points where
they connect to the other two rods.
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(That ASCII sketch does not portray the whole rod at
right because we need a fixed-pitch font to do it
correctly.)
The scroll-rods are attached to the ends of the longer
rods. (In the ASCII sketch, the long left rod can double
as a hinge-pin, as described farther down.)
Now think about the rectangular space in the
middle, which the unscrolled paper would cover. If the
book was printed on only one side of the paper, it could
be fine to be an empty space.
But if the paper is printed on both sides, we probably
want to block light passing through the paper (hard to
read one side when you can also see the printing on the
other side), so we need an opaque rectangular plate to
fill that
empty space.
But when we flip the holder over to read the other side
of the scroll, that plate will be in the way. It needs to
be hinged on one edge, and latch-able on the other
edge. Now the plate can be unlatched, rotated around
the hinge-pin rod until the plate's other edge again
reaches the
rod to
which it can be latched again, and now the plate is again
blocking light, but not blocking our ability to read the
2nd half of the book.
Constitution on a scroll
https://www.designb...seconds-03-13-2014/ And it does it in just 6 seconds. Some rolling required though [mace, Oct 12 2017]
ebay player piano scrolls only $3.99
https://www.ebay.co...s/178895/bn_2310452 [beanangel, Oct 12 2017]
Pipe Rolls
https://en.m.wikipe...org/wiki/Pipe_rolls If only they'd had a rock, they could have been on to something. [pertinax, Oct 13 2017]
The Classical Scroll Library
[pocmloc, Oct 17 2017]
Toilet paper literature
http://fictionwrite...ou-read-that-right/ Half a scroll- therefore already half-baked :) [phundug, Oct 19 2017]
Yeah, this is a TOTALLY related idea ....
Cement_20Truck_20Mu...Ice_20Cream_20Maker [normzone, Oct 19 2017]
[link]
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We would know if it was baked by finding evidence of the ancient hieroglyphic version of 'Be kind, rewind'. |
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Perhaps there were people (slaves? scribes?) whose job is was to stand/sit in front of the reader, observing their eye movement, to allow the text to 'scroll' at the correct speed. |
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Time to research tomb paintings and whatnot... To the Stacks, Batman! |
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Teletypes are roll fed with continuous stationery. If you're happy
with 1 character per second accompanied by the sound of a
truckload of spoons endlessly crashing into a vacuum cleaner
factory, this
is entirely bakeable. |
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The character set's limited, too. A new font means changing the
printhead. |
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Teletypes are a thing of the past! Get a receipt printer. They work on rolls, they're cheap, they're fast, and they're convenient. I'd definitely print out a few pages of a novel onto a scroll before hopping on the bus |
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// Teletypes are a thing of the past! // |
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This is true, but they are also exquisitely Steampunk. |
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Receipt printers are fine as long as they're not the thermal ones. |
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There used to be only one man left in the UK who could service Telex machines. I wonder if he's still going? |
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// Receipt printers are fine as long as they're not the thermal ones // |
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What on earth do you have against thermal receipt printers??? They're magical little things! |
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Well, they require heat, for starters, something which England
is entirely devoid of. |
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And the print fades ... if they're left in sunlight* they can go completely blank. |
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Then again, that could mean opportunities for recycling... |
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*as [Ray] points out, not normally a problem in the UK. |
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//they can go completely blank// I think they do the opposite, and go completely dark, no? |
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Um, as to idea 2, I may have misread but don't player piano scrolls do this [link] |
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[beanangel], player pianos did not exist in the era when
scrolls were the common format for books. Also, a player
piano automatically does the scrolling of a scroll, while the
gadget I described is hand-powered (and allows pausing of
reading at any time). The gadget is also lots smaller than a
player piano. |
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Other than those points, that was a good thing to mention.
Thank you! |
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// The gadget is also lots smaller than a player piano. // |
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... and therefore not as musical. |
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As rotating shafts form a part of the mechanism, why not add a
musical-box pin drum and comb ? Music while you read ... |
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I suspect this would be difficult to implement with paper - if it were thin enough to make a small roll, it might tend to tear. However, there are now plastic films that are much tougher, and might make this practicable. |
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Good idea; the pipe rolls, for example, should have piped (see
link). |
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//there are now plastic films that are much tougher, and might make this practicable// |
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But then someone will suggest a bendable electronic plastic display for unlimited scrolling, and then someone will point out the extra curvyness adds nothing to the user experience, and we're back to tablets. |
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Stone tablets, presumably. |
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Actually, with developments in microlithography, and the right etchants, you could probably fit Tolstoy (that enormous book by Warren Peace) on an elegant hand-held slab of basalt. |
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<still rummaging for evidence in The Stacks... er, Slabs...> <hmm, huge important parts of these ancient wall-clinging texts seem to have crumbled into gravel...> <rummagerummagerummage> |
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If you make the paper out of rubber you can use the scroll
handles (or your hands) to stretch out the images making
them look funny. Or, if you wanted to you could publish a
Victoria's Secret catalog this way and stretch vertically to
make them taller and even more model like. |
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Whenever I read this site, I can't help but notice a few
cranks. But that's a feature, not a bug. |
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With the addition of an elastic cord or spring mechanism,
one could create self-rewinding scrolls similar to curtain
roller blinds. How the Ancients would marvel at our
progress. |
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At the time of writing this Idea, I had some thoughts about
the fact I was only talking about printing on one side of the
scroll. But now I know something better than leaving it
blank, and will add something to the main text. |
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Why not make it a Möbius Scroll [Vernon]? Saves that extra
mechanism at the cost of being somewhat bulkier to store. |
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You could store it inside an arbitrarily small Klein bottle. |
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Toilet paper literature exists (link) - you just need another empty roll to wind it onto - and another full roll to actually use :) |
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But yes, I would *love* to see scrolls in modern use: Speakers' notes, interoffice memos, etc. all in scroll form. You could buy disposable scroll rods in any drugstore. |
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One of the reasons books took over from scrolls is that, with a book, you can flick back 50 pages as easily as 1. WIth a scroll, less so. |
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" As rotating shafts form a part of the mechanism, why not add a musical-box pin drum and comb ? Music while you read ...
8th of 7, Oct 12 2017 " |
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