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I am convinced this won't work but I don't know why.
This is a layer of substance which draws power from the
vibrations of the molecules on the surface of the object
on
which it's painted. If a molecule moves towards the
layer,
it powers the substance and causes it to emit "ultra-
white"
light in a manner similar to that imagined in the
ultraviolet catastrophe, in a wide range of wavelengths
visible and invisible. This removes the kinetic energy of
the vibrating molecules next to the layer and entropy
causes the heat, expressed through vibration, within the
object to spread out. At the same time, the layer is
effectively opaque to electromagnetic radiation from
outside, or at least it absorbs less energy in the form of
electromagnetic radiation than the energy it emits. This
constantly cools the object, taking it ever closer to
absolute zero.
I suppose I want to ask two things about this:
* Why is this theoretically impossible? I'm pretty sure it
must be but I can't see why.
* How might this happen? For instance, how could this
be
a good insulator, or perhaps opaque enough, and is there
a
way molecular vibrations of this kind, or just heat per
se,
could be used to power a light source?
Leaving reason aside for a moment, I'm imagining a
hypothetical refrigerator which is one simply because it's
literally a "white good". It's just a cupboard painted with
ultrawhite luminous paint which therefore constantly
cools
its interior by virtue of its colour alone.
Short treatise on this topic.
https://www.youtube...watch?v=VnbiVw_1FNs
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All you need is some of that special one-way glass
that doesn't exist, and this will work just fine. |
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You are asking for a paint that either emits better
than absorbs, or which can magically upconvert low-
grade infra-red to some shorter wavelength. That is
why it won't work. |
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// upconvert low- grade infra-red to some shorter wavelength. // |
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Theoretically, there are optical (quantum computing) technologies that could upshift three low-energy photons into two higher-energy ones (but with overall energy loss), though entropy will always get you in the end. |
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Yes, and there's two-photon fluorescence; but none
of those will help here. |
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I refer the ensteamed [nineteenthly] to Professors
Flanders and Swann, who addressed this very topic.
<link> |
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Hmm, you've conflated a couple different mechanisms.... |
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"whiter than white" - promoted on laundry detergent commercials - is a fluorescing downshift: the UV - which we can't see - from the sun, hits a substance which absorbs the UV photon, re-emits a lower-energy photon (in the visible light spectrum, which we can) and keeps the change as internal heat. It's the same reaction as a blacklite poster. If human beings saw in the UV spectrum as well it wouldn't look any brighter, compared to the ambient light. |
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I took a few stabs at it myself: the first two used symmetrical shifts and were easily dismissed; the latest, unassailable thus far (except by circular reasoning) also uses fluorescing as a mechanism <link> |
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Leaving reason aside for a moment [marked-for-tagline] |
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The antithesis of this is a cupboard painted with ultrablack
absorbing paint that gets hotter and hotter. Or to put it on
galactic scales, where density and heat blur, a white hole
and a black hole. |
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so probably works just not at our scale. Yet. |
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I wonder if on both very small and large scales it works, but
not between the two. Random happenings on a small scale
do things like the Casimir Effect and on a large scale and a
small one there's the ergosphere. The trick would be to
edge each towards each other and pounce. |
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// painted with ultrablack absorbing paint that gets hotter and hotter. // |
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... until it is in equilibrium with its environment. |
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"ultrablack" coatings are both an excellent absorber and an excellent emitter - typified by the "black body" radiator concept. |
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The structure will absorb incident energy until its re-radiated emissions due to surface temperature balance the input. |
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Reminds me of [Vernon]'s IKECE, which is supposed
to be a better radiator than absorber IIRC (and a
better-than-black radiator in any case). |
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// The antithesis of this is a cupboard painted with
ultrablack absorbing paint that gets hotter and hotter.
// |
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The laws of optics say that if you have one object
emitting radiation thermally and another absorbing it,
you cannot have any optical system (that doesn't add
energy of its own) that results in the absorber getting
hotter than the emitter. This is an adaptation of one
of the laws of thermodynamics. |
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However, if you feel the laws of thermodynamics are being applied unfairly, there's always <link> ... |
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Aren't Laws of Thermodynamics for objects this side of the
event horizons? Black holes can be very small and so,
assuming symmetry, would white holes. |
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