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Make games and movies about role models that enjoy
friendliness. Show people watching violence and
deteriorating, missing out on all the fun because they stay
up late at night watching stupid youtube videos about people
crashing their face into glass doors or about animals being
eaten alive.
At the same time, others are laughing and
enjoying whatever it is they do without getting stuck in
traffic or hating this and that.
The movies are intriguing and funny. The little violence they
do show is all ridiculed. The clockwork orange guys get home
and find out that there's an arrest warrant and that it's no
fun in jail. Meanwhile, the good guys come home, turn on
that movie, and discuss with their friends how stupid and
disgusting it was, and then just don't have the time to talk
about it because they are doing much more interesting
things.
The bad guy's wife visits him in jail and tells him all about
the fun stuff and beautiful world that he's missing.
Meanwhile, a mystery is solved, but there's no murder or
even killing in it. (It's about how the car keys reached the
fridge and who put them there)
Combine this theme with a series of real-world setbacks that
never happen to the bad guys in movies. The wifi always
works when looking up something, they access the correct
password every time, and all the tools work perfectly, as do
the guns that shoot and never get caught.
The good gals could have all the luck reserved for the bad
guys until now. Even though they make every mistake
possible during the planning stage AND their application of
that plan, their luck NEVER runs out, and everything works
out perfectly.
La Belle Verte
https://youth-time....-certain-countries/
[pashute, Jan 06 2021]
NWA - "Help the Police"
https://youtu.be/iZyqwOOmETI
[hippo, Jan 06 2021]
Motion Picture Production Code aka Hay's Code
https://en.wikipedi...ure_Production_Code
There's some prior art here - both as definite no-nos, but with a second more cautionary list describing things that might need to be treated with care. [zen_tom, Jan 06 2021]
The Motion Picture Production Code (1930)
https://www.asu.edu...eProductionCode.pdf
"No picture shall be produced which will lower the moral standards of those who see it. Hence the sympathy of the audience should never be thrown to the side of crime, wrongdoing, evil or sin. Correct standards of life shall be presented on the screen, subject only to necessary dramatic contrasts. Law, natural or human, should not be ridiculed, nor shall sympathy be created for its violation." [zen_tom, Jan 06 2021]
Two Minutes Hate
https://en.wikipedi...ki/Two_Minutes_Hate
... otherwise known as FOX News. [8th of 7, Jan 07 2021]
Ah, yes.
https://images.app....l/VGQ4HGqe61UB7qMu9
Here it is. [pertinax, Jan 09 2021]
[link]
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Will tigers in zoos switch to eating soy protein chunks?
What
about smaller cats? I used to have a pet cat and fed it
some
allegedly veterinarian-recommended kibble that was
grain-
based. The cat liked to go out into the backyard and eat
grass and then leave grass "gifts" all over the house. This
cat
issue is one of many of the difficulties inherent in
removing
all violence. |
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Isn't there a whole subculture of people who play Grand
Theft Auto 5 but drive around really safely, obeying all
traffic laws? |
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//go out into the backyard and eat grass// Ouch! Aaaarg! Our soft tender leaves! The violence of the non-plant beings who persecute us so! Aaaargh! My tips! |
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I knew there would be some drawbacks but just couldn't
figure them out myself. Blessed be the Halfbakery. |
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[hippo] what other ways are there of playing it? |
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//The clockwork orange guys get home and find out that
there's an arrest warant and that its no fun in jail// |
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This happens in the original version. It's just presented a bit
differently. |
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How about abolishing gravity in the vicinity of
elevated locations where despairing people tend to
fling themselves off into the void? With no gravity,
they would just float around for a while
surrounded by pan pipe music and purple
butterflies. Happy days. |
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I think some of this might be counterproductive. For example: |
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//The good gals could have all the luck reserved for the bad guys until now.
Even though they make every mistake possible during the planning stage AND
their application of that plan, their luck NEVER runs out and everything works
out perfectly.// |
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Jar Jar Binks. He's a better shot with a gun tangled up with his foot than the
bad guys are deliberately.
Possibly that's why everybody hates him. |
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What if the people everyone thinks are good are actually really evil, and the supposedly bad guys are secretly nice though they pretend not to be? |
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[pocmloc] So are you saying that my stories and movie scripts
are lacking the other side of cruelty? |
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Or are you saying that I'm depicting everyone one-sidedly,
and (as often happens in ideologies) not showing their true
world colors? |
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[+] Totally in favor, [pashute]. |
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As the lyric goes, "Too bad for the children, they are what they see."
The media defines our existence and outlook, practically every facet
of it. |
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You get what you pay for ... |
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[pashute] - I think the linked video is in the spirit of
what you're trying to do here |
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They wrote a code in the late 1920's covering this
exact same set of concerns. Film at the time had
gotten quite dark and racy, and the bad guys
sometimes won. The Motion Picture Production Code was
written to encourage people to consume more wholesome
content. |
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"Make the world a better place again" |
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Doesn't that imply that there was a time in the past when the world was "better" than it is today ? |
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Was there perhaps some time when human beings weren't nasty, selfish, greedy, venal, untrustworthy little blobs of ego ? |
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Maybe the Greek "golden age" ... an age with widespread slavery, where life was nasty, brutish and short, and lots of people died from communicable diseases ? Ancient Rome, with gladiatorial combats, assassinations left right and centre, an economy based (again) on slavery ? Tudor times, with most of the population constantly on the brink of starvation, primitive medical care, pestilence rampant ? The Enlightenment, which was pretty much the same ? The nineteenth century, with exploitation under the factory system, the development of industrialised warfare, slums, disease and yet more slavery ? The 20th century, chock a bloc with warfare, genocide, weapons of mass destruction, poverty and greed ? |
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Which "better" time exactly do you want to regress to ? One without medications and anaesthetics, civil rights, mass sufferage, fast communications and good food preservation techniques ? An era of violence, hunger, disease, pain and depravity ? |
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Go on, pick one. It's worth a try. What could possibly go wrong ? |
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Apparently the Atlanteans had things pretty dialed in before their economy went under. |
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They just didn't float their IPO properly. |
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Yes, of course, just teasing [pash] - playing "Devil's Advocate". Cruel, but entertaining ... |
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They weren't. They were probably quite a lot worse in many ways. |
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Or maybe just different ways ... |
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The world just got a lot better. The pitchfork mob
has broke into the Whitehouse as their monster
called them home. |
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So you admit republicans belong in the whitehouse? |
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The madhouse, more like, along with all the other politicians of whatever type. |
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The means (internet connected electronic voting
machines), motive (self explanatory), and
opportunity (poorly monitored polling locations)
were all there, it seems. I don't know what to make
of this. |
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Arguably, superhero movies already do what is
proposed; there's just disagreement about details of
niceness. |
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//some time when human beings weren't nasty [...]?// |
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You may be eliding two different things here, [8th]. On the
one hand, yes, many things have got better over time. On
the other hand, it does not follow from this that nothing
has got worse. There is no logical impossibility in the
hypothesis that (1) sadism in popular culture has got worse
since, say, the 1890s and (2) advances in democracy,
technology and public health since that time have not been
contingent on that increased sadism. |
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This hypothesis may not be true, but it is not self-evidently
absurd. |
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Freud seemed to think that human progress *was* at least
somewhat contingent on tolerating sadism (see his essay on
Civilised Sexual Morality and Modern Nervous Illness), but
he was a bit light on evidence for this. To put it mildly. |
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Marquis de Sade was more eloquent on the matter. |
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//"Make the world a better place again" Back up a bit ...
"again" ... ? Doesn't that imply that there was a time in
the past when the world was "better" than it is today ?//
- I interpreted the phrase "Make the world a better place
again" as suggesting that the world had been 'made a
better place' at some unspecified point in the past, i.e.
that the word 'again' was a modifier for 'make' rather than
'a better place'. It is instructive here to consider the
difference in meaning between the idea title as written,
"Make the world a better place again", and the subtly
different meaning it would have if this idea was titled
"Make the world a better place".
It's also
ambiguous as to what the word
'better' refers. It could be
that the previous attempt to make the world better
sought to improve the world from a prior state of utter
ghastliness to merely abject misery. Or it could be that
the word 'better' is comparing the world of the past with
today and that the gist of the idea is that there was an
attempt in the past to make
the world better than that of the imagined future world
of today, and that there should
be another attempt now. |
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We could call it 'The Adventures of Pollyanna.' |
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// it could be that the word 'better' is comparing the world of the past with today and that the gist of the idea is that there was an attempt in the past to make the world better than that of the imagined future world of today, and that there should be another attempt now. // |
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In which case the idea title should be less ambiguous, such as: |
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"Make another attempt to improve the world" . |
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As to the "imagined future world", many such visions concentrated on the "good" aspects but studiously avoided any possible downsides; those that did were often accused of being "dystopian". |
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The reality is that, while social and technical changes do indeed bring benefits (medicines, transport, communications) there are invariably negative impacts (chemical weapons, pollution, surveillance) which due to the inexorable operation of the Law of Unintended Consequences are very difficult to spot. |
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Tetra-ethyl lead "seemed like a good idea at the time" ... |
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Perhaps a title tweak, "Make The World A More Politer Place Again"? |
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In a rather more verbose, but commensurately accurate form "Attempt to improve some aspects of the world in ways similar to those that others have done in the past, bearing in mind that there will inevitably be unanticipated negative consequences that cannot be clearly predicted or quantified until after changes have been made". |
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The bit following "bearing in mind..." it is traditional to bury
at the bottom of a poorly-written Terms and Conditions page
(ideally presented as an embedded non-searchable PDF
image of multi-column 8-point text) and to just present the
reader with the phrase "Check this box to acknowledge that
you have read our Terms and Conditions". |
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After watching the activities in DC yesterday, and again seeing
the footage today, the only reoccurring theme I can hope for
is for every single human being to chant in their head "I want
to be better than I am." |
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That's all. Each of us, that's about all we control. Made more
apparent than ever, January 6th, 2021 in the USA. |
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// every single human being to chant in their head "I want to be better than I am." // |
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Unfortunately, the real "Inner Voice" tends to chant "I want to be better than them, those others, the ones who don't share my world view... in fact, I'm better than them, because they're different, and "other" is always bad... that's why I hate them... " |
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... and then just join the mob waiting for Goldstein to appear on the public Telescreen. |
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"and then it was just impossible not to join in". |
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The two minutes of hate/the 6hours of conflict at the Capitol. |
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Oh yes, Mr. Blair had it pretty much nailed decades ago... |
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All right, [8th], you got me; I did a sharp double- take before
realising you meant *that* Mr. Blair. |
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Yes, *that* Mr. Blair... Or, Well, possibly his Big Brother (Lionel) ... |
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//Marquis de Sade was more eloquent on the matter.// |
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True, but not more cogent. |
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[blissmiss] Sometimes I think, "I should be gooder", then try to think of a good thing to do. |
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If I'm not instantly clued in to what I could do/think to be gooder I try to think of a technology that makes people live longer (longevity technology). The pragmatic result is that sometimes charities get moeny, homeless people get tarps and money I put out for them, and I have files and notebooks with a lot of longevity technologies in them. |
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Expanding a little, I also came up with "faster better computers"; Tests of, and technologies based on the MWI/multiverse theory; things that benefit children" So I'f I'm all like ummm 450 year old tortoises (blank), how about million year endolith TCA cycle genes? Hey that's it! |
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Longevity technology: The TCA (ATP making) cycle of organisms, like little bacteria, alhae,and fungi in rocks, that have (based on isotope dating) actually lived, as individual organisms for 1 million years has genes. Variously, 1) put those genes in mice (and if it works, then humans) to see if the mice live longer 2)Analogous genes exist at mice and humans already, copy the epigenetics of the endolithic algae and endolithic fungi genes to mice to see if they live longer. |
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I think people are naturally good. |
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About the actual idea: Who knows. The idea is somewhere between screenplays teaching (If people watch this they might be more beneficial) and a cinematic thing, an art thing, a gestalt. Not much to say, so as [blissmiss] says, What can I do to be better than I am? |
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Trust me, if you even stop for a second, once a day, and ask
yourself, addressing the deepest parts of yourself, "what can I
do to be better?" You are already being better. |
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If you actually give a shit about others and worry even a bit about being better than you were before... you're doin alright. |
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// I think people are naturally good. // |
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Despite the fact that the bulk of observational evidence completely contradicts that ? |
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I had an annotation blip: Here's what I think I wrote previously: |
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[blissmiss] Sometimes I think, "I should be gooder", then try to think of a good thing to do. |
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If I'm not instantly clued in to what I could do/think to be gooder I try to think of a technology that makes people live longer (longevity technology). The pragmatic result is that sometimes charities get moeny, homeless people get tarps and money I put out for them, and I have files and notebooks with a lot of longevity technologies in them. |
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Expanding a little, I also came up with "faster better computers"; Tests of, and technologies based on the MWI/multiverse theory; things that benefit children" So I'f I'm all like ummm 450 year old tortoises (blank), how about million year endolith TCA cycle genes? Hey that's it! |
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Longevity technology: The TCA (ATP making) cycle of organisms, like little bacteria, alhae,and fungi in rocks, that have (based on isotope dating) actually lived, as individual organisms for 1 million years has genes. Variously, 1) put those genes in mice (and if it works, then humans) to see if the mice live longer 2)Analogous genes exist at mice and humans already, copy the epigenetics of the endolithic algae and endolithic fungi genes to mice to see if they live longer. |
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I think people are naturally good. |
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About the actual idea: Who knows. The idea is somewhere between screenplays teaching (If people watch this they might be more beneficial) and a cinematic thing, an art thing, a gestalt. Not much to say, so as [blissmiss] says, What can I do to be better than I am? |
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There was a New Yorker cartoon from, I think, the 1960s
(reproduced in "The Medium is the Massage"), which had the
caption "When you think of television's awesome power to
educate, aren't you glad it doesn't?" |
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Ha, Pert. That makes me giggle in a nervous, uneasy way.
Hmmm |
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// "I should be gooder", then try to think of a good thing to do. // |
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But have you ever tried doing Evil, that Evil may come of it ? Really, really tried ? |
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Remember Nxon's Principle: "If two wrongs don't make a right, try three". |
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Haven't you ever watched Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and cheered for the child-catcher ? Or The Railway Children, and felt cheated when those smug, do-gooding kids avert what could have been a most delightful crash, and a fascinating Fatal Accident Enquiry report ? |
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"Kindness costs nothing, but cruelty is more fun". |
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[+] But is the death rate healthy enough? |
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I like to think that the preference would be; Dissemination of withheld tech/massive expansion spore like explosion in all directions from Earth requiring many hands to make short work, rather than a downsizing status quo solidifying continuum. |
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