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Seems like there are still homeless people in first world
countries that are still dying from hypothermia. This is
since the typical reason not enough resources are
provided
for such people is due to a lack of voting power from the
homeless.
To help correct this somewhat, maybe we can have
a
simple law.
Every time a homeless individual dies a preventable
death,
a hefty exponentially increasing fine is leavyed against
the
local council and the federal government. The money is
then disbursed equally to the homeless population.
This includes death by hypothermia, death by killer teenagers, death by other
hobos, and others that would not usually occur if they actually had a safe home.
This might end up with an unintended consequences of
the
remaining homeless people killing each other to increase
the pool. But if the council and the government really
cares
about saving taxpayers money, this would be the
incentive to
actually solve the issue rather than simply pushing it to
the
next neighbourhood.
Killer Teens
http://www.abc.net....-werewolves/5809462
Teenager who killed homeless man in Melbourne believed he was battling werewolves, court hears [mofosyne, Mar 09 2015]
Killer Weather
http://thinkprogres...ness-public-health/
This Week’s Cold Front Could Be Deadly For The Homeless [mofosyne, Mar 09 2015]
Killer Bees
http://www.nbc.com/...e-killer-bees/n8622
Home invasion goes south [normzone, Mar 09 2015]
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To paraphrase Reagan, the scariest sentence in the
English language is "there ought to be a law" |
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More likely to criminalise and punish the other homeless people for any such deaths instead. |
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// This might end up with an unintended consequences of the
remaining homeless people killing each other to increase the
pool. // |
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Maybe not practical politics, but certainty a great starting point
for reality TV show, so [+]. |
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//...this would be the incentive to actually solve the issue rather than simply pushing it to the next neighbourhood. |
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What? How? Fear of fines would most certainly motivate municipalities push it to the next neighbourhood. |
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If you're intent on penalizing group A for actions by group B, why not just make homeless people limited wards of the state? The state could then legally compel homeless people to have medical care, forcibly confine them in overnight shelters, etc, rather than harassing them about the same out of fear of getting fined. I don't think that's a good idea either, but at least it's out in the open. |
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[porpoise] is right - this would simply drive the local councils to lock up homeless people in something akin to a sanitarium. |
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I'm far from being an expert, but from what I know, you can't consider the homeless as a homogenous group. There is a proportion of down-on their luck, otherwise healthy-ish, capable, regular people in various stages of economic distress. There is a proportion of mentally ill people in various stages of being able to look after themselves. There is also a proportion of people hopelessly addicted to drugs who may or may not be interested/willing/able to undergo treatment. There are combinations of the above, and other "categories" as well. |
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Now, of the above, which groups, (if you're able to readily differentiate them) should the council be responsible for their safety? (sorry that's poor sentence structure). How would the council go about ensuring that? |
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I think what you're trying to get at is adequate provision of homeless shelter/food. In which case a simple metric would be utilisation. It could easily be shown that full shelters means other people miss out. Perhaps the best metric would be people turned away at the door because it's full. |
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The city hall would be eager to have the homeless transported outside the city's boundaries to let the blame fall on the neighbours. If penalties for dying hobos are high enough this would lead to border checkpoints at each town's borders and you would have to present your cheque book to get a visa - much like in a gated community. In effect it would punish the poor municipalities for being poor. [-] |
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I can't see how this prevents any deaths. I can see it funding drunks and druggies to self termination. - |
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//a hefty exponentially increasing fine is leavyed against the
local council // |
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because that won't encourage police to drive away the
homeless, not at all. |
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//I can't see how this prevents any deaths. I can see it funding drunks and druggies to self termination.// |
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It's either that or they get voted into office. Really the better outcome. |
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Seems like there are sill people in first, second and third
world countries that are still dying. This is since not
enough resources are provided for medical research due
to a lack of voting power for people who like to use data
to make decisions. To help correct this somewhat, maybe
we can have a simple law. Every time an individual dies,
a fine is levied against all surviving people. The money is
then disbursed to scientists' research needs in equal
proportion to the population killed by each cause of
death. |
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This includes death by hypothermia, death by mental
disorders, death by other people, and others that would
not usually occur if people could actually cooperate
instead of screwing over each other constantly. |
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This might end up with the unintended consequences of
remaining people killing each other to increase the
research funding pool. But if the council, the government
and individuals actually care about human rights, this
would be an incentive to actually solve the issue of aging
and death rather than simply pushing it to the next
generation. |
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While I wish the world were better, I admire the poetry
by which democracy makes people partly responsible for
their own suffering and death. |
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I'd add old age to the list of criminal deaths. |
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The problem is that its not a problem with any clear
solution, there are many attempts to end
homelessness with some level of effectiveness. but
no clear cut fix alls. plus its expensive, and lets face
many refuse attempts for rehab/work placements
not all of them are willing to help themselves. |
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What Toto Anders said. Plus, this what just divert money into legal fees. Proving in court that a death was, within reason, 'unpreventable' would become just another drain on our pockets. |
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I can't see how you make the jump from "local council"
(never mind that most local authorities aren't "councils" but
cities or counties) to federal government. Have you no
concept of states? Or do you hail from a country other than
the USA? |
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One of the things Reagan did I disagree with: as governor of
California, he ended compulsory sanitoriums for crazy
people. Shortly thereafter, there were lots of homeless
people. A peculiar correlation... |
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