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MWI Tech
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Nested parallel universes, what are they good for?
Well, first the technology
The Many Worlds Interpretation of physics is a result of Schrodingers equation. Fairly recently about half of Nobel prizewinners supported MWI. Compressing the entire thing into one line this is described as every
time a quantum event occurs another entire universe occurs to provide the alternative outcome of the event. Published material on the web suggests that this is 60*10^42 more parallel universes produced each minute.
I make an effort to figure out the right course of action. It thus became my cognitive responsibility to support or refute the MWI as well as be amused with the numerous solutions to all of humanitys difficulties it presents.
First lets created nested parallel universes, we accomplish this when we use a gradual quantum effect that physically surrounds a more rapid quantum effect. A laser path doing an optical measurement that just happens to surround a radioactive atom is one way. The measurement progress of the laser quantum occurence can actually be gradually shifted from slower to faster than the radioactive quantum occurrence, thus creating a a physics mechanism where the light cone size of the event completely envelops the other, further, since we dont know what we are doing, the quantum envelopment can oscillates back to the other. Doing this creates a MWI universe blend where the possibilities of the new universe depend on the still forming linked universe. One reason we might do this is because we are Trekkies that really value universes specifically created so that data as well as objects can travel between them. After all, if our universe creator were nice enough to create a multiuniverse nested geometry energy as well as matter movements between the near clonal universes would be readily technologized. Thus we are creating star trek tech friendly universes to benefit copies of our own sentiences.
The MWI solves most ethics problems, providing the Timely Opportunity Of The Commons(TOOTC). Lets say I am the CEO of the worlds largest soft drink company. Choosing the new COO I could pick a brilliant flavoring chemist that will actually make the products taste ultra superb, or I could just choose a brilliant corporate expansionist that will grow profits more rapidly. I could also give away the company to whoever appears at the sexygirls.com webcam next. Psychologists tell me that that the longer I dwell on any one of these options the more likely I am to choose that particular option. Thus as 60*10^42 identical giant soft drink companies are being created every minute I could spend 4/5 of my time pondering the flavoring chemist, with about a tenth each to the sexycam girl as well as the corporate expansionist. Then regardless of who I hire my ponder time has ensured Most universes have superbly flavored drinks at the collective multiverse. You can do anything you like, as long as you nearly make the right decision most of the time.
Now, is MWI authentic? Unfortunately I think MWI is just an amazing episode as physics progresses. Schrodingers equation only perfectly predicts the hydrogen atom, whilst also providing a base equation from which all the rest of physics can be developed. There are actually patents on algorithms that describe atomic structures more effectively than Schrodingers equation as a base.
Also, I have looked at the math where I think I see opportunities for complete redefinition (division algebras). Also, systems that produce massive hyperduplication are already with us. Notably, a person relaxing near water. Each spectral line of the sun, reflected off each microwave of water just happens to recombine with a reference beam of sunrays. The person is actually surrounded with numerous billions of really crummy holograms at differing frequencies, yet none of these is actually capable of thinking or moving on its own. Further the person is also surrounded with a better than perfect resolution 3d model of their own body surface. Water n air molecules with much smaller size than the gigantic protein molecules the person is made from perfectly mimic their 3d surface. The surface layer still is absent the capacity to move on its own.
It could certainly be that some equally bizarre version of MWI functions on hydrogen atoms alone, perhaps 60*10^42 copies of every hydrogen atom at the universe suddenly comes into being each minute, to create pure hydrogen copy universes, then these do their own unique thing reforming as gas blobs, perhaps going billions of years prior to forming heavier elements. A person with a really strange sense of humor could then create an all hydrogen automata at our universe knowing these nonsentient hydrogen groups would organize an entire all hydrogen universes however they were programmed to.
Thats the .5b technology Nested universes that give your MWI clones Star Trek physics, a timed solution to all commons opportunities, or the even weirder opportunity to make a automatically reproducing hydrogen plasma that completely automata forms the universe it is created into whatever you like.
tech note: Schrodingers equation only predicts monatomic Hydrogen accurately, thus almost with an exciting sense of divine justice only nonmolecular hydrogen is MWI compliant, If the hydrogen is part of a living carbon based being, it is copyless.
Unicorn Jelly
http://www.unicornjelly.com/ Jennifer Diane Reitz is the first person I know of who suggested functional MWI technologies. [beanangel, Dec 06 2011]
Sluggy Freelance
http://www.sluggy.com/ more nifty if you start at the beginning. a wide vartiety of fairly earnest MWI implications graphics. [beanangel, Dec 06 2011]
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[+] for the paragraph beginning //The MWI solves
most ethics problems// Best WTF moment I've had
all week. No idea if this makes sense, and don't
care. |
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(You have read "All the Myriad Ways," right?) |
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// about half of Nobel prizewinners supported
MWI// Yes, but that includes a large percentage
of
economists, peacemakers and writers. |
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//60*10^42 more parallel universes produced each
minute// Do wha? Surely, the growth must be
exponential rather than linear? |
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//Schrodingers equation only predicts monatomic
Hydrogen accurately,// A hydrogen atom is like E.
coli, only less so. |
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The whole MWI business is flawed, although not in
the obvious way. It's all a lot simpler (in a
complex
way) when you realize that relativity goes further
than spacetime. Quantum collapse is relative, not
absolute. Likewise, the parallel universes of the
MWI are not absolutely different (any more than
two
events can be said to be non-coincident in
spacetime); the MW's are relative, and the
differences
between any two diverging universes depend
intimately on the observer's viewpoint. |
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As soon as you realize this, and do the obvious
bits of the maths, you can see how an effectively
infinite number of universes can co-exist, and the
numbers all become much more acceptable. It's
analogous to thinking that two trees can be close
together or right next to eachother - it just
depends on the angle from which you view them.
Plus, it turns out that you don't need all the extra
dimensions of string theories and their brethren. |
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And you then find that quantum mechanics and
relativity get unified in the process, in a fairly
trivial ho-hummish way. |
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[mb] I appreciate your writing, Ive spent hours away from .5b thinking about your comments. |
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anyway, just to amp up the thing even more, noting that there are these new faster than light neutrinos a physicist right now could create nested MWI superliminal neutrino quantum effects with a plurality of superliminal neutrinos creating new nested universes where the entire originating event occured faster than the speed of light, possibly giving these new universes completely new different all faster than lightspeed physics. |
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[beany] you're still thinking in terms of "nested" or
in some way "independent" multiverses. It's all
the same universe, just sliced in different ways,
and with the plane of the slice curved in such a
way that, from any perspective, all slice-planes
converge at infinity. Hence, a so-called quantum
divergence shifts the position of the "slice" locally
but, at great enough distances (in space x time x
diversity), the slices corresponding to the two
"new" universes converge. |
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The slice-planes of course have to have a finite
thickness in all dimensions, and hence two such
planes actually overlap with eachother not at
infinity (where they are exactly aligned), but at a
relatively closer place. |
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This overlap region of course is where all the good
quantummy stuff happens, and explains why the
universe is grainy and has only limited
computational power (ie, why things like time-
energy or position-momentum are only
approximated). With increasing distance (in space
x time x diversity), the degree of overlap
increases, approaching 1 x 1 x 1 at infinity. |
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We have a bias for the time dimension, so we are
used to looking in only one direction of T along
the curve; but in any case this slice-plane
convergence accounts for the singularity at the
"big bang". The big bang is at infinite T, but the
local curvature makes it appear much closer, a
finite time ago. |
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Because
the curvature of the slice-plane depends on the
observer's position, the big bang actually looks
equally long ago and equally point-like in space
regardless of where you stand in T. A hundred
billion years from year (forward or backward), an
observer will still find that the big bang happened
14 billion years ago. |
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Well that was certainly a conversation stopper. |
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//Well that was certainly a conversation stopper// |
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Only from your point of view. From other points of view this has been the most succesful HB posting ever and has gone viral to the point of inifinity. |
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(Seriously, it is pretty cool and gives one lots to think about) |
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//Surely, the growth must be exponential//
Interesting question. Are there cul de sac
realities, i.e. some branches of the tree terminate
in universes where no more wavefunctions
collapse ever again? If so, then the growth might
be exponential at first, and slow down later. Is
observation required for wavefunction collapse?
There will certainly be some universes where
there are no longer any observers. |
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And what happens if two alternate universes arise
which are identical? Are they the same universe,
or two identical universes? The question seems
undecidable, and parsimony favors the first --
which would further slow the rate of growth of the
multiverse. |
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[mouseposture] actually my major MWI sources are Unicorn Jelly, Sluggy Freelance, New scientist, Wikipedia
Jennifer Diane Reitz is the first person I know of who suggested functional MWI technologies. After reading Sluggy Freelance a while I tried to think up ways to create any of the technologies described The dimensional flux agitator pretty much is the thing Not that I know how to make one, the idea of the nested chronospaces of photonic with radioactive quantum, how these can be synchronized, then the fields around them measured to find variation or anisotropy is part of making the MWI verifiable |
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//Unicorn Jelly// Ah, that accounts for it, then. |
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There was kind of a pre MWI version from the 20th century I was wondering what a simplest computation machine like a turing machine could do if it could send one or two photon or electrons back in time basically could you recalculate the contents of register repeatedly with a couple time rebeing electrons to produce what was just a couple transistors worth of chronocomputer to simulate an entire huge parallel computer. kinda like "turing machine simulates any computer, what is the least amount of chrono electron motion sufficient to create any arbitrarily large computation instantly" If the new neutrinos have chronoeffects a computer that produces vast data structures from just a few active preneutrino effects may be built |
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All bollocks of course. There may be (and probably are) multiple universes or, as is more probable, simply another dimension that we can't perceive with a smooth, or smooth for all intents and purposes, transition between states. |
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But if lightspeed really is a limiting factor then another universe (or vector) won't pop up all'round the place immediately just because a baryon out in Arcturus sneezes both left and right. |
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Likewise, according to the post, that presupposes that there's no equivalent of gravity between universes: parallel universes could be squished together if the quantum event is of little consequence. Alternatively, if the force is repulsion instead of attraction, unlike parallel universes could also be squished together by repulsion from their near-clones. |
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Just, ow. Once I made it as far as Radix point I, OW!... there it goes again. |
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I upped the reward. A physics based MWI test is now on fiverr. |
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How big would the "ALL" be if there were full real infinite universes through or next to each other. The walls between universes would have to be water tight or there would be more magic in this universe. |
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My overall feeling is that they are more likely to be shaddow universes. A ghosting of real universe. |
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