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As far as I know, I invented this. I don't see any existing literature about it. Please let me know if I'm wrong.
It is very much like making palindromes, which I also enjoy doing, but I find it to be somehow different, so I am willing to call it an invention.
Simply, you find vaguely understandable
(if not grammatical) phrases or collections of words in which the identical letter sequence is repeated, without repeating any whole word.
EDIT: there is disagreement over the validity of this as a rule (see annotations) - currently the game master accepts repeated words, with points off for their use.
Extra points for length, and the more sense it makes.
Here are some of my efforts (besides the name of the game, which is a very simple one):
I clean article - an art
I recall legal umpire call leg a lump
Hindus try with industry wit
Justify our age just if you rage
Her plan - ether planet
A lad, just mental adjustment
Mind you, I am not soliciting a list. I post for two reasons - to ask if there is prior awareness of this out there, and to share the brain fun I amused my self with.
I know it's very much like palindrome creation, but my experience for some reason is that this is more difficult.
EDIT: I think I have decided Diplodrome is a good name for it. Duplodrome comes in second, because it is more descriptive, but to be authentic with the Greek combining forms, I'm going with diplodrome. For now.
palindromatic
http://www.norvig.com/palindrome.html
One of many sites on subject [xenzag, Dec 20 2007]
Better snag this now
http://www.google.c...GLR:en&q=diplodrome
Someone GoDaddy Diplodrome.com for me? [globaltourniquet, Dec 20 2007]
Pen Island or Penis Land?
http://www.penisland.net
[simonj, Dec 21 2007]
Bundled words
http://www.jimwegry...rds/BundleWords.htm
abundance? [Ling, Dec 23 2007]
transgendered marine hardware?
http://www.popeyesailorsexchange.com/
[afinehowdoyoudo, Mar 20 2008]
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Ingenious! I am impressed [+] |
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I once owned a book of all sorts of word games. I can't recall any such wordplay as this. [+] |
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I have played a related version using multiword homophones, (phrases which sound the same when spoken.) Best example I can recall just now is: |
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Our hero rang Eve to sour her orange vetos |
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Doesn't score too high for sense, but it's not bad... |
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So, what do you call your "sideways palindrome?" |
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Can I call it a "Palinemord"? |
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//Can I call it a "Palinemord"?// You can,
but that wouldn't make much sense.
"Palindrome" means "back way", which is
appropriate for a palindrome. You need
an equally descriptive name for your
creation. |
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[csea] There is is a pub near me called the Grace Darling, however I always call it the Grey Starling. |
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Together again, to get her Aga in.
Mistrust iron, yet chill mist rust irony etch ill.
We, at her thin kin "Weather Think In!"
Matje' suspect oral mat; Jesus' pectoral.
Knowledge, reveal "ex"! Know ledger, Eve, Alex!
You're Ally? You? Really??!
Pectorals expect oral sex. |
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Sob! Icy, clever. Second it, ion. So, bicycle verse condition!
Sob! Unfortunate state! So, bun for tuna, test, ate. |
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A thought: There is a related word, "portmanteau," not quite right, but possibly a starting point for a name. |
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How about Diplodrome? From the Greek for running twice? |
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And let unabubba handle tuna, bub. Bah! |
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Diplodrome's a new hen. So did I plod Rome sane? When? (sod I). |
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Those are decidely not diplodromes by my rules. No repeated whole words allowed. |
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Because without this rule, you could call "The plane! The plane!" a diplodrome... |
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Will! I suck your ewes. Ill? Is ucky! |
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Back to your notepad on that one, Denholm |
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Will! I suck your w... Ill? Is ucky our... |
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To clarify: The identical letter sequence is repeated. With no other letters. The palindrome allows no superfluous letters, and neither does this. You have a stray "W" at the start that is not repeated. |
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Will, I suck your "W" ill. Is ucky our. |
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Sounds like a form of punning. At least, all the examples I can not quite think of are puns of one kind or another. But still, + |
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You caught me mid edit (as it were) |
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Great stuff there. reminds me of a similar game I played in dutch. Find two nouns that have the same meaning, put them together to make a word of that same meaning. Example: luidsprekerbox. Is such a thing possible in english?+ |
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I'm passive, man - aged imp ass. I've managed impassive.
Sad anguish - it's a dang UI shit! |
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Someon needs to send these to Will Shortz at the NY Times. |
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The reaction still ate rice. There act ions, til later ice. |
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Hmm. Seems there might need to be a minimal standard for intelligibility. For instance, the phrase:
"Global Warming Useless"
(Which could be a newspaper headline) can be diplodromed into:
"Glob Al, War Ming, Use Less."
Which doesn't make much sense (except on a very Zen level.) |
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I accept [UB]'s assertion that "The Plane! The Plane!" (moment of silence for Tatoo) is in fact a diplodrome. So is "Global warming glob Al war ming". They are both, however, for different reasons, not very interesting ones. So it's a question of degree of greatness, not of rule qualification. |
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The one about the largest stinky penis is the winner so far, in my view. |
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Leave no graph undug, phundug. |
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Reminds me of an amusing domain I found - Pen Island, which of course is PenisLand.net |
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I'm amazed and impressed at some of
these - especially the ones that make
sense, like [boy's parks] one. I can't even
think of one that doesn't make sense. |
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At last, it's atlas' tits.
O great, again! Ogre at a gain!
Sing, jutta, blessing jut tables. |
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Align ant ID? Is establish men tar [Ian]? Is
malign antidisestablishmentarianism?
(ps - [simonj] - just like the energy
company PowerGen's Italian website:
powergenitalia.com) |
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[simonj] there was a sidebar in a local paper a while back about companies with poorly chosen website names, Pen Island among them. Some others were the Mole Station Nursery and Therapist Finder. |
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Beauty, [UB]. But... you missed a "to" in there - your points are withheld until you fix it. |
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- and I already used the "together"/"to get
her" thing. |
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The closest I could find are "bundled words", which begin with one word that can be split.
The most apt would be "abundance" which becomes "a bun dance". Appropriately this happens to be the first example in the link. |
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From [Ling]'s link: "abundance = a bread boogie" - [marked-for-tagline] |
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An old children's game goes like this - tell your friend you'll teach them an ancient prayer that brings good luck. Tell them to chant slowly: |
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And then say it fast. It's like My Very First Diplodrome. |
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But that only works phonetically. Butthat. |
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I like the idea of phonetical latitude. It prohibits that the semantics seem antiques; or that the syntactical, are sins, tactical. |
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It is amazing that this is doable in english. I bet in other kinds of alphabets it might be easier - for example, chinese. I could imagine this principle being the integral plot twist in a book - the clue (from an ancient manuscript) does not make sense until the spaces are inserted differently - which would occur three quarters of the way throught the book, just before the action packed finale. |
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Nice! A new euphemism for bullshit: Doe Snot. |
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(as in, man, that's complete Doe Snot! But it's certain to give sensei a moment's thought...) |
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Tom Braider took to ok Tomb Raider |
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Damnit why isn't this a post about diplomats fighting to the death over international policy? I was thinking it would spice up covereage of the Uninted Nations or somthing. Do we really need a new word game? |
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Your so weary, our sow ear.
(A sting edit; as tinged it)
So wear your sow ear. Our! |
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//Tom Braider took to ok Tomb Raider// |
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Fixing this to make it a diplodrome: |
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Tom Braider took Tomb Raider to OK. |
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And this one:
// So wear your sow ear. Our!// |
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So wear your sow ear. Your! |
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But that repeats "Your", no? (Disclaimer: I didn't get the whole "The plane! The plane!" thing.) |
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I conceded that one, jutta, per UnaBubba's probably correct assertion. It's up there in the midst of the list that I didn't solicit. If the letters are repeated, it's a diplodrome, regardless of repeats. |
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I could fix the description, but I like the record of the evolution of thoughts. |
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I read that, but either didn't understand or strongly disagree with what UnaBubba was asserting.
Not repeating a whole word seems like a clear and necessary rule to me - without that, it's just too easy.
I don't want to play a game to which "the plane, the plane" is a solution. |
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Evolution: You can leave the description, but should add a hint to the casual reader about what the true final rules are where the initial text contradicts them. |
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So you don't want to play "Famous 1970's T.V. catch phrases"? |
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My contention was that "The plane, the plane" is a solution, albeit a poor one. Just like when you send your car over a cliff because the windshield wipers aren't working. It's a solution to the problem, just not a good one. |
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Evolution: I probably consider myself just too lazy to bother accomodating (let alone look up how to spell the word acommodating) the casual reader, but for you, I'll make an exception. This time. Edit to follow. |
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////Tom Braider took to ok Tomb Raider |
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// Fixing this to make it a diplodrome:
//Tom Braider took Tomb Raider to OK. |
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Oh, shit. Thats no good then. |
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There is a James Thurber short story that touches on this, spotting 'the rapist therapist'.
[scurries off to attic to dig out Thurber collection] |
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Maybe proper names should be excluded? |
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Is the position of Puzzle Master hereditary? Will Will will Will Jr. the position? |
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Breaking News! Micro soft gene rally issued, Microsoft generally is sued! |
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Now hobo, Neddi, plod Rome, no! Who boned diplodrome? |
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A safari's eye no way in vented the sigh. Do Nazi any
eggs. Is sting litter? At sure! |
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A quine is a similar concept, where a phrase is preceded by its own quotation to form a meaningful (often self-referencing) sentence. Douglas Hoffstadter named it after its inventor - "To quine a phrase", to quine a phrase. |
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// The reaction still ate rice. There act ions, til later ice. // |
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I want to put that on the wall. |
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// Extra points for length, and the more sense it makes. // |
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I think, if this is to be an actual game, the scoring system should also assign penalties to the various imperfections a diplodrome may have. Here's my proposal (numbers
subject to tuning):
• 1 point for each letter of the repeated letter sequence, times the number of repetitions of that letter.
• -0.25 point for each letter of parts of the string outside the repeated section (support words on either end).
• Repetition of the same words, using letters at the same point in the letter sequence, means those letters count for -0.5 instead of 1 point, for each instance of each
letter.
• Repetition of a word, but using other letters in the sequence, is scored at (1 - 1/N) point for each instance of each of those letters, where N is the length in letters of
the repeated letter sequence. (That's
to account for it being increasingly
more difficult to avoid repeated words, even not using the same letters of the sequence, as the overall diplodrome gets longer.)
• Then the score is multiplied by a subjective rating from 1–5 of how much sense the overall phrase/sentence(s) makes. |
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"Our hero rang Eve to sour her orange vetos"
Overall length: 34
Repeated letter sequence: OURHERORANGEVETOS
Length of sequence: 17
Unrepeated letters: 0
Repetitions of sequence: 2
Repeated words: none
Raw score: 34
Sensibility: 3 (Our hero called Eve on the phone to convince her not to veto something about oranges.)
Score: 102 |
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"Diplodrome's a new hen. So did I plod Rome sane? When? (sod I)."
Overall length: 44
Repeated letter sequence: DIPLODROMESANEWHENSODI
Length of sequence: 22
Unrepeated letters: 0
Repetitions of sequence: 2
Repeated letters outside of repeated words: 20
Score for repeated letters outside of repeated words: 40
Repeated words: The word "I" is repeated, but one instance uses the first letter I in the letter sequence, and the other uses the last one. Therefore, each of these is
scored at (1 - 1/44) = 0.977 points each,
for 1.954 points.
Raw score: 41.954
Sensibility: 3 (The concept of diplodromes is new (and metaphorically referred to as a hen). Therefore, did I walk through Rome when I had my full mental faculties? On
what date did I do that? Sodomize
me.)
Score: 125.862 |
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"The plane! The plane!":
Overall length: 16
Repeated letter sequence: THEPLANE
Length of sequence: 8
Unrepeated letters: 0
Repetitions of sequence: 2
Repeated letters outside of repeated words: 0
Repeated words: all of the letters are used in the same words, which are formed at the same points in the letter sequence each time the sequence is repeated, so every
letter counts for -0.5 each time.
Raw score: -4
Sensibility: 5
Score: -20 |
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"The reaction still ate rice. There act ions, til later ice."
Overall length: 46
Repeated letter sequence: THEREACTIONSTILLATERICE
Length of sequence: 23
Unrepeated letters: 0
Repetitions of sequence: 2
Repeated letters outside of repeated words: 46
Repeated words: none
Raw score: 46
Sensibility: 4 (Even so, the chemical reaction consumed the rice. Ions are still doing stuff in the mixture, until it freezes.)
Score: 184 |
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"Leave no graph undug, phundug."
Overall length: 24
Repeated letter sequence: PHUNDUG
Length of sequence: 7
Unrepeated letters: 10 (-2.5 pts)
Repetitions of sequence: 2
Repeated letters outside of repeated words: 14
Repeated words: none
Raw score: 11.5
Sensibility: 4 (Hey phundug, you need to dig every graph. (Though what does it mean to dig a graph?))
Score: 46 |
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"Align ant ID? Is establish men tar [Ian]? Is malign antidisestablishmentarianism?"
Overall length: 66
Repeated letter sequence: ALIGNANTIDISESTAB LISHMENTARIANISM (split because the site won't let me submit otherwise)
Length of sequence: 33
Unrepeated letters: 0
Repetitions of sequence: 2
Repeated letters outside of repeated words: 62
Repeated words: The word "is" is repeated, but it uses different letters in the sequence each time. Therefore, each of these four letters is scored at (1 - 1/66) = 0.985
points, for 3.940 points.
Raw score: 65.940
Sensibility: 1 (It makes no sense whatsoever.)
Score: 65.940 |
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"Abundance: a bun dance"
Repeated letter sequence: ABUNDANCE
Length of sequence: 9
Unrepeated letters: 0
Repetitions of sequence: 2
Repeated letters outside of repeated words: 18
Repeated words: none
Raw score: 18
Sensibility: 2 (Plentiful buns could partake in or be celebrated by a dance…?)
Score: 36 |
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// I like the idea of phonetical latitude. It prohibits that the semantics seem antiques; or that the syntactical, are sins, tactical. // |
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I like that too, but that will have to have another scoring system. |
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// A safari's eye no way in vented the sigh. Do Nazi any eggs. Is sting litter? At sure! // |
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What is that supposed to be? |
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A quine is also, in another sense of the word, a computer program that produces its own source code as output. I was thinking as I read this discussion that it should be
feasible to write a computer program
to generate diplodromes. (Also,
Chrome didn't red-underline the word "diplodromes" there for even a fraction of a second, which is cool. I wrote this paragraph first in this anno.) So, in theory, it should
be possible to write a computer
program that generates diplodromes
and that is a quine. (Run it with a flag to choose which mode it runs in.) |
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