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When I delete annotations to an
idea
there are sometimes reactions on
my
annotation which suddenly don't
make sense anymore without my
words just above it.
I want to notify the author of that
annotation that there is an
annotation in his/her name that
makes no sense (anymore).
Up to
that user to
either delete it or rephrase it.
To do so I would click on the user's
name and I go to his/her personal
page like now. But then there is a
box with the URL of the page I just
came from already filled in. Perhaps
also a small box where I can leave
some words to explain what and
why.
I sort of 'annotate' the user's page,
which is invisible for others besides
that user.
When visiting the Halfbakery you
can
then check if there are messages for
you on your user page. You can
delete the messages, but the sender
can also delete them (unsure if you
have seen the message already).
The feature can also be used if
people want to point out that an
idea
is in the wrong category or that
something else is wrong with it,
without posting it as an annotation
to
the idea itself (which does not seem
logical to me).
[optional] When you click on the
username under an annotation on
your userpage you can make an
annotation to that user's userpage
with a link back to your own
userpage.
[optional] When there are new
messages for you your username
appears bold everywhere in the
Halfbakery.
example of an annotation that makes no sense anymore
http://www.halfbake...pre-death_20funeral
Kreuner about Lazarus is quoting an annotation I deleted [rrr, Oct 04 2004]
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no, I totally disagree Peter. |
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In Arab rather than any modern
language. |
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Poststamps with famous, but dead
people. As long as they are not
worth more than a dollar/euro
each. Why do you ask? |
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I'd like a fume-jutta annotation alert. |
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When the messages to the author
are public you can indeed
effectively prevent it from
functioning like e-mail. |
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At the same time you can prevent
Halfbakery entries from becoming
message chatboards. Now I don't
have a way to leave a message for
another HB-poster other than
poluting someone else's idea with
it. |
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I do like the chatboard quality of
the Halfbakery in the first days
after a message gets posted, but
after a few days I would like to
delete my messages that should
not remain immortal, that are of
no use for the idea at hand. |
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About the bold username. When I
see something in bold at the
Halfbakery it means it's recent and
fresh and I instinctively click on it.
If I see my own username in bold I
would do the same I think. In the
help section it can be explained if
people want to see it confirmed
that it works like this (that's when I
read the help section anyway). |
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<obligatory><alert>Ampershet recordanoxil port remoglacate.</alert></obligatory> |
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The public annotations on the
user's page remind me of MUDs
where you can 'look' at other
users. |
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You issue a command to 'look' at a
certain user that crosses your way
and a whole story
unfolds on your screen: the user
carries a teddy bear with her as a
present from user X, she has
flowers in her hair from user Y, he
has lipstick on his cheeks from
user Z and so on. |
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I could then leave a message on
someone's page that I really
appreciated his/her comment and
I enjoy his/her style. The user can
choose to carry that with pride or
delete it after reading it. |
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// I want to notify the author of that annotation that there is an annotation in his/her name that makes no sense (anymore). // |
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Email them. If they don't have an email address posted on their profile page, it means they don't want to be contacted. Your system takes away that choice and therefore I vote against it. |
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I don't think that orphaned annotations are any great problem. |
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probably made no sense in the first place. |
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I think it was 45, but, frankly it could be a bit less. |
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[waugsqueke] There are more
reasons why people don't mention
their e-mail address on their user
page while they would like to be
contacted:
- they are afraid of other abuse
(spam for example)
- they simply did nothing with
their user page (the majority)
- they didn't think of it because it
is not suggested
- they don't want to be contacted
about Halfbakery things by e-mail
because time for e-mail is
different from time for Halfbakery |
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Especially the latter would be a
reason for me not to give my e-
mail address. The Halfbakery is
addictive and when I receive a
Halfbakery related e-mail I are
tempted to go here and I
completely forget whatever I was
doing. |
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Also think about those who don't
want to reveal their own e-mail
address nor any of their
pseudonyms (and don't want to
bother creating yet another
pseudonym for Halfbakery use). |
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Furthermore, my system doesn't
take away the choice for people to
reveal their e-mail addres on their
user page nor the choice not to be
contacted. You can easily ignore or
delete all the message for you at
the Halfbakery just like you can
ignore annotations addressed to
you. |
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Orphaned annotations are a part
of the problem, the use of
annotations for chat unrelated to
the idea are another part of the
problem this idea solves. |
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Therefore I ask you to reconsider
your vote. |
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No can do, sorry. I don't think orphaned annotations are a problem. I certainly don't think they're worth any effort to resolve. And I think that for people who want to be contacted, the method of allowing this is clear. For those that don't think of it or aren't aware they can do it, then you could say the system defaults to 'off'. |
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OK, if it is not for the ophaned
annotations, what about the
functionality of leaving messages
for the author that are of no
interest to anyone but the author?
The kind of messages that are very
relevant within the Halfbakery but
are not worth writing an e-mail for
(if they even have an e-mail
address on their personal page). |
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How much effort is it to compose an email? |
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<Spock> I am receiving a number of distress signals... </S>
Although I've learned to live with the poor little orphans, I do think that an idea with half the annos missing could be confusing to a newcomer. However, I think that this idea would just become a messaging system and really, the best method is for users to just have a browse through their ideas now and again and do a bit of pruning.
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[Worldgineer] for me it is not an
effort to write an e-mail, but what
holds me from doing so is that I
am absolutely not sure I will reach
the author with it: they may not
have an e-mail address on their
userpage, if they do it may be one
they hardly ever check and in
many cases e-mail is out of order. |
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You could do a test and write one
e-mail to a hundred Halfbakery
users. I doubt you will be
successful in more than 50% of
your attempts. |
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If only you can rely on a
messaging system that works. If it
is public you prevent it from
becoming a messaging system. In
a worst case scenario it becomes a
bulletin board for each user,
migrating the ideas unrelated
communication you now find
between HB-users on idea pages
to the personal pages. |
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I have the impression that a lot of
hostility towards this idea is
motivated because the hardcord
HB-users do not want change in
favour of the purity of HB-concept
at the cost of the fun they have
together. |
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