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This could work. Goodwill Stores, here in the US, ask if we
want to "round up" when paying for our purchases, to help
fund the programs for the developmentally disabled. |
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Your idea is very similar in structure and the only add-on
would be getting the actual meal to the homeless and/or
hungry. |
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Not all hungry people are homeless. Meals on Wheels which
used to do this for the elderly in my town was cut and is no
longer available here. Shame on whoever did that. My
mother was too afraid to really leave her house near the
end and she would have become even frailer than she was. |
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I like the idea of adding money for elderly. |
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Maybe even treat companies could offer to drop off a
cupcake or something to an elderly person for an
extra few cents. |
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Although sugar is probably bad for them. |
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The two extremes points here are either society is engineered for everyone to have a home, no matter what economic, mental physical status or a transient life is an accepted, valid option and society supplies the minimal basics, free of conditions between the homes. |
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This idea supports that transience is good but will itself be transiently socially funded. Needing economic backing like this means this is not really a bedrock ideal governments are willing set in stature. |
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Morally nobody should freeload on society (hard to freeload off nature) but it is on a case by case basis on why it is necessary or how they are getting away with it. |
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I'm not an expert on homelessness so I really
couldn't comment on a permanent solution without
some research, but this would be a bandaid
approach. Would it solve the problem? Not at all,
but if I were homeless I'd appreciate a burger and
fries every once and a while. Just as I do now. |
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The plot really thickens here where I live. People
who work here can't afford to buy a home which
averages 2.5 million bucks, so they're living in
caravans or campers. Mountain View next door just
outlawed that which seems like a really bad idea. |
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Presumably if the people abandon their campers
sleep on the street (which ISN'T against the law)
they'll be within city rules again. |
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Not a simple problem but not a problem that can
be ignored. |
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Probably comes down to not sharing or not seeing where economic wealth comes from. A person could say they have worked hard for their 2.5 million (hard to verify) so they feel they can use a legal system to remove the inconveniences of the money source. |
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Any law that blocks valid public use sounds a bit suspect. |
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Yea, I'm not crazy about it. I live in the city next
door but I'm sure Palo Alto is considering it. Weird
to see Stanford surrounded by these things. I used
to think it was because there was a football game
and people were coming from out of town to
watch it (which used to be the reason you'd see
hundreds of campers parked all over) but turns out
people live in them and then "commute" home on
the weekend. |
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Sounds like a reasonable approach to me but the
rich folk don't like those poor folk parking on their
streets I guess. |
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I'm kind of an expert on homelessness, having been there
twice in my life. I stayed in a shelter in CT before getting
sober, and again in California, (Redwood City), when I
relapsed. I ate at the shelter and it actually had good food.
But I think those that you are looking to serve/help would
be more of the type who actually don't go to shelters for
whatever their reason may be. |
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That being said, I think, believe, and dream that; "This idea
supports that transience is good but will itself be
transiently socially funded." would be an excellent way for
the world to work. I guess I'm a whole lot of gypsy, and if
there were socially funded ways to travel and experience
other cultures, transiently, I would be in heaven. I can't
think of a better way to live. Dreamer, I'm just a dreamer. |
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So, on the one hand, I'm a semi-pro on the subject, and on
the other, I'm not. Still like the idea though. |
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<warm feeling in the heart> |
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Wow Blissy, cudos to you for your strength and
determination to overcome those issues. |
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I can speak about your dream of traveling having done it
for a living in my youth, and most especially the nature of
my travels having met, communicated and interacted
with the amount of people I did. It's the most important
thing I ever did. I learned that there are good people
from all cultures. This flies in the face of what we're
taught now by industries that make money by dividing us
and stirring hate. |
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There are jobs that allow you to travel, have you looked
into that? There's some realities to life on the road I'd
want to tell you about though. It's not a sightseeing trip.
But it can be done. If that's your dream you should look
into it. Dreams are the heart and soul of our existence,
they need to be nurtured and grown. If you want to
travel,
you should travel. |
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If you can overcome those demons like you have in your
past, you can use that same power to get a little
adventure out of life eh? |
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Thank you for sharing your deeply moving personal story.
You strike me as a really good person. |
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Oh heck...now I'm all emotional. Thank you for your
kindness. I was a baker during both those stays at shelters,
and I have to say I was supported by several of the fine
folks here, with encouragement and empathy. Nice folks,
we can be. |
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I've stayed at hostels in SF, and some in New England as
well. I would probably try to travel that route if I did, and
work my way across the ocean. I have been dreaming of it
more and more each day as I become increasingly sick of
this town and the lack of any culture, really, at all. Just not
my favorite place. |
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Your youth sounds fascinating. I wish I would have traveled
overseas when I was a youngin. I did manage to hitchhike
across this country and then on another adventure, we
hitchhiked down thru Mexico to the coast and lived on the
beach for 2 months. That was rather bohemian. But we
were very young and dumb. |
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To me traveling and seeing other ways of living and being is
all that is really key to becoming a well-rounded person. |
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// traveling and seeing other ways of living and being is all
that is really key to becoming a well-rounded person// |
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Sturton has managed to become a very well-rounded person,
mostly by staying put and seeing how other people serve food. |
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//Morally nobody should freeload on society// |
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So if it's "necessary" it is still morally wrong? |
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You should think through your definitions. |
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This is where I sound like a raving left wing loon: |
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The biggest leaches in society are the moneyed
class that
use their political dogma and control of politicians
to get
whole populations in debt that they can never pay
off
establishing a permanent surf class and a
permanent
ruling class. |
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Poor people cost me the occasional sandwich,
supposedly
my share of the national debt is $60,000 and
rising. I had
no say, I
wasn't asked, I wasn't consulted. Indeed the very
idea
that anybody would listen to the views of the
people who
are paying for this would be laughed at. Who
decided to
run up all this debt that me and my fellow citizens
have
to pay? It's probably racist, sexist or misogynistic of
me to
even ask. |
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We've got this bastardized version of communism
where
the middle class is going to be eliminated, but at
least
with the Marx scam everybody (except the ruling
elite)
was supposed to be equal. This new attack on the
middle class is to enslave everybody and stratify
society
so the well off don't have to worry about former
lower
class nouveau riche coming into their country clubs
wearing the wrong kind of cummerbund and
double
dipping the cheese fondue. |
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(sees how much money is made by crooked politicians) |
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That being said, I formally announce my candidacy for
political office. Time to send a message to those fat cats
in Washington! I'll need lots of support from banks and
corporations to get there but I guarantee, the interests of
the people who give me money will be foremost in my
mind! The free ride is over! It's time for the middle class
to pay their fair share! |
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What do you think of AOC, then? |
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I like her idea to get rid of airplanes. About time
somebody
stood up to big air. |
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My platform takes it a step further and will include
getting back to basics by
knocking off all this walking upright nonsense. Time to
legislate walking on all 4s the way nature intended. Not
for the leadership class obviously, we have places to go
and things to do, but for all those little people who aren't
politicians. This will attune us (and by "us" I mean "them")
to the environment and
remind us (them) that animals are our (their) equals. |
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Walking upright is un-necessary and arrogant. "Walking
Upright: Environmental Plight!". |
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I was tempted to jump on your bandwagon right up until this
last post. I do Kundalini Yoga every morning so that I've got
the ability to stand erect so I can reach my kitchen cabinets
and make myself a cup o' Joe. Then the day really begins. |
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Do not fuck with my coffee. If you do, I'll sick Pence on you.
Trump is too busy being an ass. It's Saturday, the official day
for Stupid Tweets. By Monday you better be on the right side
of the border, or you will be a resident of Mexico for a spell,
or so it seems. (He says he's not kidding this time.) |
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Here's an article on jobs that allow you to
travel the world. |
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1. Airline Pilot
Average income: $161,280
Average paid time off: 5.3 days |
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2. Geological Engineer
Average income: $103,710
Average paid time off: 11.4 days |
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3. Construction Manager
Average income: $101,000
Average paid time off: 8.5 days |
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4. Marine Engineer
Average income: $96,910
Average paid time off: 17.3 days |
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5. Environmental Engineer
Average income: $91,180
Average paid time off: 11.4 days |
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6. Agent (Sports and Performer)
Average income: $90,870
Average paid time off: 8.6 days |
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7. Film or Video Producer
Average income: $90,770
Average paid time off: 8.6 days |
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8. Architect
Average income: $87,500
Average paid time off: 11.4 days |
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9. Ship Engineer
Average income: $77,970
Average paid time off: 11.4 days |
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10. Auditor
Average income: $77,920
Average paid time off: 17.3 days |
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The ship thing was something I considered when I was a
kid between jobs. There are lots of others to look at.
Even if it's something to daydream about, nothing wrong
with that. |
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^ Not really where the wind blows you. Interstellar travel might lessen the crowd and make the heart grow fonder. |
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Should note again, if you travel for a living it might not
be a sightseeing tour. I was lucky to get a day off a week,
the nature of the job being one where lots of money was
made on work days, and if I remember correctly, $1,500
was lost on every day off. Lodging, crew pay etc.
Still, on those rare days off I'd always try to go to the
science museum in the major city I was in. One time I
toured a cold war era submarine as the only visitor there,
just me and the tour guide. I think the only thing notable
about it was that they suffered one casualty, a sailor who
passed out by being overcome by toxic fumes from some
kind of solvent he was using to clean something. Not
exactly a heroic war story, but still, sad. Always a
bummer when somebody loses their life doing their job. |
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Another time in another city (I've told this story before) I
was greeted by a guy in a robot costume that said he was
a real robot. I said "Oh yea? Then what's 1,456,783,856
divided by .006584?" Poor kid. Just trying to be
entertaining but nobody tries to entertain
Doctorremulac3 and gets away with it. |
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Hmm, after a "if it could go wrong, it did go wrong" Japan trip I
returned to the UK and ended up on the beach for 3 months...quite
some processing time. It was summer and lots of food sources. |
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Most vexing was people who have no mates boring me their life
stories, the police came round at 3am just to see if I'm not some
arch-criminal and them seagulls waking me up at 5am. |
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//"if it could go wrong, it did go wrong" Japan trip// |
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I wasn't there but a truck full of our equipment broke
down
in the middle of the desert once and a roadie went nuts,
(not a very long trip for many roadies) set up a drum set
in
the middle of the road and started playing while waiting
for the tow truck. About the
problem of cars coming and running him over? "They could
see me." |
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