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There's a large number of universal or nearly universal symbols already in every day use -- from traffic signs to Windows icons to emoticons.
Standardize on a modern, written hieroglyphic language that is capable of conveying a large number of concepts, including dealing with tenses, etc, perhaps
by adding animated icons.
Though perhaps not sufficient to having deep philosophical discussions, it would be quite sufficient to get across many ideas.
Then have an electronic device capable of rapidly selecting the required images (words) and displaying the sentences.
Like this
http://www.quizland.com/hiero.mv
Except on a mobile device and translating to a new set of standardized symbols [theircompetitor, Oct 04 2004]
The link above generates this image for the idea name
http://www.geocitie...petitor/techie.html
[theircompetitor, Oct 04 2004]
How to read your prescriptions
http://www.therubin.../geninfo/abbrev.htm
Still doesn't help with physician's handwriting. That comes with practice. [Klaatu, Oct 04 2004]
UML Unified Modeling Language
http://www.uml.org/
A very specific case of what you are proposing. [ixnaum, Oct 19 2005]
Microsoft Windows For The Illiterate
http://www.cnn.com/....tech.ap/index.html
[theircompetitor, Mar 02 2006]
Tango device for children with disabilities
http://www.spectron...t.asp?product=24191
[theircompetitor, Jul 02 2007]
Universal Icon Language
http://www.zlango.com/
[theircompetitor, Sep 29 2007]
The Noun Project
http://www.thenounproject.com/
Hm, I wonder what their logo would be. [jutta, Mar 26 2011]
hieroglyphic cartoons
https://www.cartoon.../h/hieroglyphic.asp
[pashute, Jun 29 2015]
fake hieroglyphic font
http://www.dafont.c...akehieroglyphs.font
[pashute, Jun 29 2015]
Emoji programming language
https://www.inverse...tm_campaign=organic
[theircompetitor, Mar 05 2016]
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the halfbakery not taking graphics directly is a bit of a handicap, but I think it's possible. I'll work on a good graphic tablet and post later |
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Isn't that kind of like ESP? Only it's TSP, technosensory perception. |
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The image I have in my mind is exactly that |
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Just in time to do my taxes too. |
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I guess we'll have to wait for ET to find out just how universal death & taxes are |
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Actually [ub] if you know latin, you can decipher pharmacist's codes:
c (with line over top) = cum =with
s (with line over top) = sans = without
a (with line over top) = ante = before
p (with line over top) = post = after
po = per os = by mouth. |
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You can find almost all of them at <link> |
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Better not let [blissmiss] see that. |
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If I can get serious here for a nanosecond -- I'm envisioning something where you select an object through search or a directory structure, then select common verbs and the software animates it. |
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So without resorting to pictures here, See Spot Run might become the image of a blinking eye following a Dog with a label Spot Running. |
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reensure: not what I'm going after, though -- I'm looking for an electronic tool that will let me quickly assemble a sentence by using pictograms and animation, then show it to someone. |
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A tool like that given a large enough image vocabulary would works with visually enabled aliens. |
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The more I think about this the more I like it. Are their any other languages that uses symbollism that might work? The above link would have to work in reverse also correct? If you give me the symbols I would have to decipher them and vice versa. |
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This doesn't seem to have any advantages over existing written languages (whether natural or artificial), but several disadvantages - principally that it would be hard to write by hand and complex to transmit by electronic means. |
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bkornele: I think that would be easy, because to originally choose the symbol, you would have probably gone down a Wordnet type XML hierarchy -- the attributes can then travel with the image and be reversed into text. |
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kropotkin: definitely not trivial, but I think with some practice not harder then a phrase translator, and much more open ended -- like charades with hyper clear drawn descriptions. |
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So if I understand this correctly - it's like visual lego blocks that when put together make certain meaning. This is baked in UML (Unified Modeling Language) for describing how software should work . But I absolutely love the idea of applying this to day to day communication [+] |
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hmm, I wouldn't have thought of UML, here, but thanks, anyway. |
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I thought of this as almost a very rapid way of assembling a comic strip, showing both objects and action, a "See Spot Run" assembler on steroids, or a hardware assisted Pictionary with animation. |
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What I like about it most is that, in theory, it would work with any visual being, not just a human "alien" |
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I see ... that could be more hard to accomplish. In order to communicate you must have some basic common base of understanding with the aliens. If the aliens never saw a dog running before but it reminds them of a Pschicla (made up alien creature) in a breeding season then there might be some misunderstanding of what you are trying to tell them. |
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yes, we lose more survey team members this way...:) |
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Wow, someone made a startup out of this idea. |
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Hmmm.... animated chinese characters might be interesting. |
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I don't see how the use of icons is that much different
from Chinese characters. It seems like they started
in the same way as pictographs or hieroglyphics and
evolved into the more writable form we see today.
Why not just use Chinese? It could potentially be
ported and used in any other language. Just ask the
Japanese, who use Chinese symbols as their main
writing modality to this day. |
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Chinese pictograms were established when the means of reproducing them was a brush and ink - now that we've got other ways of making marks on paper we could probably be less constrained with the range of symbols. |
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Re Emojicode [link]: I was going to make a (somewhat
different) emoji programming language. But now if I do, it'll
look like I stole their idea. I guess I could publish my
Evernote note about the idea and point to its creation date,
but still… |
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