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I was thinking that one of the things that puts people off to the idea of the ape origin of man (other than the religious implications) is that some people find apes revolting.
But only the hardest, meanest heart could find a baby ape revolting. They are just very, very cute.
So I propose a new
version of the descent of man image (the one where the images of various stages of human ancestry are represented walking from left to right, the one that lots of people make a parody of) but each stage has a very cute baby at that stage instead.
By the way, this isn't an invitation for a creation debate, there are already plenty of venues for that argument.
Plush Bacteria
http://www.thinkgee...eektoys/plush/6708/ [Voice, Sep 03 2008]
Baby ape finds himself revolting.
http://www.youtube....watch?v=AuUqSrHIHso Not proper for work. [baconbrain, Sep 03 2008]
Human & chimpanzee DNA
http://www.answersi...g/tj/v17/i1/DNA.asp [Ling, Sep 03 2008]
JAWS
http://www.genomene...03/25/prehumans.php ...this time it's evolutionary. [2 fries shy of a happy meal, Apr 12 2009]
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I do hereby vigorously debate you! |
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(Urge to post bad joke...)
(Fails to resist urge to post 'vigorous mass debating' joke...) |
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Lovely little human babies - never before seen miracles - cuter than the grown up version. |
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whOSE a cute little Chrysiogenes arsenatis? YOU are! yes you are! look at those sweet little Flagella! |
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+ very cute, but I think the apes were revolting in that movie *Planet of the Apes*... |
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Humans share between 95 to 98% of DNA with Chimpanzees, depending on who you believe. Men share 96.6% of DNA with Women. |
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I think if you want to show the relationship between normal apes and us neotenous apes, you should show a baby chimp and an old human. I mean, nothing against the late, great George Burns, but as an old man he looked like a baby chimp's twin brother. |
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//Men share 96.6% of DNA with Women// willingly? |
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If you'd like to stop by some evening, I'll be happy to give you half of mine. |
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Actually, humans share 100% of their
DNA with E. coli - the self same As, Cs,
Gs and Ts. |
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The amount of DNA we "share" with any
other species depends on how you
measure things. You might equally say
that A Misummer Night's Dream is 95%
identical to Harry Potter and the Goblet
of Fire - 95% of the words are identical
(and 100% of the letters). Or they are
50% identical (since that many
sentences in one book have
homologous sentences in the other), or
0% identical. |
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Actually, I can't really imagine why I've
gone into all that, since it's really
neither here nor there. Must check my
dosage. |
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that's very generous of you BB. |
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Please put my name on the waiting list. |
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//depends on how you measure things// Yep, and it's perhaps more newsworthy to show that male humans have more in common with male chimpanzees than they have with female humans. But that can also be demonstrated by measuring the degree of hairyness, in most cases (my grandmother excluded). |
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That's why I said 'depending on who you believe' - I did check everything thoroughly for at least 5 minutes. See link. |
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I always wanted a chimp as a pet, and my mother wouldn't let me. She said they were very dirty and stinky. Even baby ones. My mother may be crazy, but she's always right. |
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We share most of our DNA with
broccoli. |
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Despite my request for this to not become a creation debate, it seems like some people suffer from what I like to call "creation turrets", a compulsive need to quote memorized creationists arguments. |
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The thing about this is that, well, there are at
least three things actually. Firstly, neoteny is an
important part of human evolution, so in some
parts of the story the pictures will mainly just be
ahead of time. For instance, early chordate
evolution involves tadpole-like larval forms
extending that stage into adulthood and at the
hominin stage, the adults get more like the young
too. Secondly, a lot of the stages would be slimy
squirmy things of limited cuteness to the small
minority of people who aren't into Japanese
tentacle porn. Thirdly, some larval evolution
seems to be almost unconnected to the
appearance of the adult form. Fourthly, the
succession of forms depicted in evolutionary
iconography is more of a chaotic bush than a
carefully choreographed precession of marching
primates and so forth. In thisses spite though,
i really like the idea, though not so much from the
cuteness angle as the raw interest, so [+]. |
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