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In the name of promoting smarter prostitutes, we should
promote a university degree before getting a licence to
screw others (Much more enjoyable for the customers
compared to say a lawyer's degree!).
Why? If there is a degree in farming, then why not this
too? Because being a good prostitute
most likely requires
a
practical skill set as well a theoretical one. And that best
transferred though a university where professors can
explain it best. Thus helping future students GROW their
ASSET many times over!!!!
Benefits are plenty!
1. Trafficking and explotations is reduced drastically,
because students are taught their rights.
2. They become better workers because they are taught
by
veterans who knows all the INs and OUTs of the industry.
3. They become well ROUNDED in all forms of life from
the physical and the mental. Especially if they study
varied subjects like economics, maths, and philosophy.
Making them much more
interesting than a dead fish in bed. (Imagine that! A
philosophical prostitute who can hold a very nice
conversation!)
4. They will be able to make Friends With Benefits of
being
from all walks of life and studies, helping students to
grow
their networking skills (Many jobs are not in job
listings).
In addition it would make prostitutes better appreciated
as
a legitimate profession with it's own challenges and
hurdles.
Being part of the oldest profession in the world, along
with
accounts... it is about time they join the prestige of
academic life, and bring an extra "Dimensions" and
"Girth"
to
the range and selections of studies available for new
students.
Selling Sex: Experience advocacy and research on sex work in Canada
http://www.ubcpress...sp?BookID=299173904
[rcarty, Aug 17 2014]
WHO says
http://www.who.int/hiv/topics/condoms/en/
[4and20, Aug 17 2014]
Idiot's guide to condoms
http://apps.who.int.../hiv_aids/dwcom/en/
[4and20, Aug 17 2014]
HIV risk estimates
http://www.cdc.gov/...icies/law/risk.html
[4and20, Aug 17 2014]
HIV and Queer Studies
http://en.wikipedia...IV.2FAIDS_discourse
[rcarty, Aug 18 2014]
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Sort of done - "Belle de Jour. While completing her doctoral studies, between 2003 and 2004, Magnanti supplemented her income by working as a London call girl known by the working name Taro..." |
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I dove clear across the room to bun this idea. |
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Reminds me of a joke: "Where do prostitutes go for higher education?" "Formalized Under-Covers Knowledge University" (fondly referred-to by its acronym) |
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My buns crossed the room to clear this idea. |
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My crisscrossed buns like this idea. |
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No I actually dove, I thought I clicked 'PhD in sex' idea, and walked away to get something, then when it loaded I saw the full title and a dive resulted. |
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Believe it or not this is what needs to happen. |
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First, make condoms better than 85% effective, by WHO estimates. |
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Condoms are better than the 85% effectiveness of
your WHO estimate. I don't know where you got
the number, but obviously if the World Health
Organization is doing statistical surveys, and
producing an estimate at that, it likely indicates a
large population group that is actually distributed
between very high rates of effectiveness and
likely very low rates of effectiveness when
combining data from qualitatively different locales.
So without knowing anything about the
methodology or anything but what you've said, the
aggregation of this data results in what we'll call an
average percentage of effectiveness. |
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But that is entirely irrelevant to legitimizing
marginalized people and allowing them to produce
the discourses rather than being the object of
sociological study that may produce discourses
that problematize from whatever perspective the
data manipulator is working from. |
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In other words, show the corpse? |
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If you're trying to show me something you better dig
that methodology out of there, because this isn't a
half credit course in respecting an idiot's authority or
security will be called 101. Get that research method
out. |
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My own sampling of the populations tell me that condoms work 100% of the time every time. |
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That's a thorough methodology there, certainly. The link comes from the exact same page. |
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"As such, it is not really appropriate to estimate condom effectiveness at 80%. While 80% is the best single estimate of effectiveness, it is also fair to say that the true measure of the effect could be as low as 35% or as high as 94%, as the authors state in the review." |
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So...what are the chances of infection, starting with 1000 men who frequent prostitutes, combined with a 6% failure rate? |
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6% of 1000 will be affected? 60 guys? the probability is 60 in 1000. So what's your point why can't they go to school? |
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WKTE in sci-fi: the Companions in the TV series Firefly, the character Tamara in Heinlein's Lazarus Long books, etc. |
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That's one way to look at it. The real risk is for the woman. She will be exposed to the risk of STDs 60 times. |
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.3% of people in the UK have HIV. Using risk estimates from CDC (link), it appears that, even if 1% of the men are HIV positive, the risk of the woman getting HIV remains relatively low until the number of men gets very large. These estimates are just 3 times an average man's thumb. |
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I remember reading that 10 or 20% of the women in Victorian(?) London were prostitutes. It's a strange circumlocution to suddenly call it a path to empowerment, but then someone who pays extortionary university tuitions to study prostitution as a career, provided she isn't just attending Oxford for the money pool, isn't very bright anyway. |
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Well these points you're raising don't correspond
to the study. It refers to discordant couples
where one is infected. Not just men. So the risk
in not just to women. You're just trying to make a
failed gender bias argument like the joke about a
father and child who got in a car accident and
when they got to the hospital the surgeon on duty
says "that's my son!" how could it be. Oh noes the
surgeon is a woman. And for ageism grandmother.
Of course it could be a grandfather too. I'm
probably not telling the joke right. |
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Anyway, nobody needs to be bright to go to
university. At least not any university that
specifically requires that. |
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The very fair assumption is that the woman will have more clients than the man has prostitutes. Added to that is the WHO claim that women are more at risk of HIV. Seems as if you should be contributing a lot more based on the tone you adopt. |
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Not at all I'm not really familiar with the document
and don't really understand its significance to the
discussion. If the woman has more men than the
men
has prostitutes, then the man is more likely to get
it
from the woman because women are more at risk
of
having HIV. |
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Anyway I like qualitative sociology, if I liked
numbers pissing matches then I'd be out having
numbers pissing matches or something. |
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//WKTE in sci-fi// yup. Bujold's LPSTs (Licensed
Practical Sexuality Therapists)... |
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I would suggest an anger management course is included in the phd, for when the client decides to haggle after the event... |
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Nice try. I'll have to take a look at my last
conclusion as well. I was just getting irritated
that the idea turned into a moral panic about the
HIV epidemic, when really it's an idea about
educating and empowering sex workers to shape
discourses plus innuendo. |
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//The very fair assumption is that the woman
will have more clients than the man has
prostitutes. Added to that is the WHO claim that
women are more at risk of HIV. Seems as if you
should be contributing a lot more based on the
tone you adopt.// |
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This statement led me to conclude that if the
prostitute has more clients than the clients have
prostitutes, and women are more at risk of
acquiring HIV,
THEN each client is much more likely to be
infected with HIV by each prostitute, than each
prostitute is to be infected by HIV by each client.
This is because the prostitute has a higher risk of
acquiring HIV as a woman and she is is having sex
with more men. Men, who have a lower risk of
acquiring HIV from women, still are taking a
greater risk with each prostitute who has sex with
more clients and has a higher risk of acquiring HIV.
If men had a higher or equal risk of acquiring HIV
from women THEN we could say each client is
much more of a risk or the same risk as each
prostitute. (this is about heterosexual men and
women) |
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Ok, that's talking about prostitutes. But women in
general are at a higher risk of acquiring HIV from
men than men are from women. |
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My buns crossed the room to clear this idea.
— normzone, Aug 17 2014
[edit, delete] |
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And did it end up becoming clear? |
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Is this something about this? |
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//My own sampling of the populations tell me that
condoms work 100% of the time every time.// |
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That was a joke. I'm interested in the idea
because I
read that book in the link. (not very long ago) |
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It seems as if this topic is replete with statistical landmines. For example, HIV transmission rates in the WHO cited condom study seem remarkably higher than CDC estimates of transmission risks. Apropos of this post, the condom study measures HIV risk in man-years. That can't be a continuous working year of sex. |
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But using the suspect CDC estimates, the risk for the woman seems relatively low, even if she goes "around-the-world". The idea that the man is more at risk because the woman has a higher rate of HIV would only make sense if the woman was not using condoms or making dumb choices with drugs. |
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Given that the condom study only looked at successful HIV transmission, the rate of failure could be much higher for general condom failure, including all other STDs, known and unknown. |
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Your discourse mumbo jumbo doesn't make any sense and reminds me of the nonsense I was afflicted with by the "postmodernist swarm" at university. What's worrisome is that badly translated French vulgarisms may still hold sway over scientific understanding among some "educated" classes. There's not a doubt in the world that statistics has its problems, but I'll still take it over some sexually appealing, power-mad discourse which gives women STDs. |
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I've always wondered why they say it is the *world's
oldest profession*.
Which came first, the pimp or the ho? |
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/ Which came first, the pimp or the ho? / |
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Cave woman Alice and Caveman Jack have just finished for the fifth time tonight. He is starting to look interested again. |
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She says "No way Jack, unless you come up with some brontosaurus bucks." |
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Even if he replies "and my cousin Bill for a few more?" |
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She already turned Professional. |
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So Ho s before Pimp s. They got more skin in the game. |
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[4and20] I'm not acknowledging your first three
paragraphs because those are your links, and HIV is
only tangentially related to the topic. Using the
logic of including HIV as an objection to
marginalized
people is actually what created Queer Theory and
Queer Studies [link]. It's not relevant and
identifies
you as a bigot. |
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You don't understand what I'm saying - the client is
more at risk because a given prostitute is more
likely to have been infected with HIV than a given
client. The prostitute can be said to have a
higher risk, but it is distributed among many lower
risk clients. Lets put it even simpler if you were
to visit a prostitute who would be at higher risk of
acquiring HIV in that exchange? |
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This is not in any way postmodern discourse.
Postmodern discourse is a way of being
incredulous at established modes of thinking. I
see none of that here, with one very small
exception. |
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And [xandram] I would call prostitution "the worlds
boldest profession". Prostitution would likely
coincide with a later social development of women
having rights over their own bodies, and likely
doesn't predate other professions for that reason. |
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There seems to be no motivation or reason to address rcarty. It's hard to believe anyone is listening to him. He's quite insistent that women prostitutes are at a high risk of HIV. His only answer is to train more women by charging them to listen to years of a slightly improved rcarty philosophy, stripped of any discussion of STDs mind you, because *whisper STD talk is worse than prostitution. |
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I imagine a certain number of women choose prostitution because they like it. A lot more end up there because they're poor or abused. Others may just be ignorant of STDs and whatever other drawbacks it holds. Rcarty is quite cavalier with other people's lives, as long as he can define it as a choice. Witness his respect for Robin William's suicide. There are people who are suffering, don't know it and need help. |
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Rcarty seems to be one of those people, which is why suggesting that he try prostitution and really give it to the man who's trying to keep him down with all this STD talk may seem slightly amusing but just might be dangerous in his case. |
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//It's hard to believe anyone is listening to him |
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Ok, where's the footnote? |
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//women choose prostitution because they like it. |
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Erm, it's kind of boring to be honest, and you do get the client haggling after the event, as I mentioned previously, which is a bit of downer really. |
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Won't someone please think of the male prostitutes! |
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