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DST is an asset: it allows America to be pissed off at something other than politics. |
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1/2 an hour would be bad. Go for a full hour. And I am also sure it's been suggested a million times. |
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Twenty seconds a day would be less traumatic. |
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Incremental : half the year, every day 20 seconds gets added, the other half subtracted. |
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Why not simply reduce your planet's axial tilt, and fix the problem once and for all ? Change it to 10 degrees - there'll still be enough for a bit of seasonal variation, but not enough change in day length to matter. |
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Plus, the polar regions will start to ice up more. |
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I began doing maths at this issue using interweb information, but the answer had two challenges. |
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One, I could tell you when it would happen naturally (given a little push) but it was so far away I knew no one would care. |
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Two, I couldn't figure out how to give it the push. |
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Use a tractor/pressor beam mounted on your moon's surface. Altenate "push" and "pull" sequences so that the overall forces on the moon cancel out, but the cumulative effect is to alter your planet's axial tilt. It's a fairly slow process, but that's good as it allows fine adjustments to be made. |
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Even something small, like a 5 PetaWatt GPG, will do the job. |
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[8th], have you run that idea past the Borg physics team? I only ask because I know you're the collective's Tea Boy and Junior Janitor, and your physics lot might spot a flaw in your idea. |
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In particular, the only bit I don't get about your suggestion is how exactly it's meant to work. |
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Might be interesting to just say 7:00 AM is always
right at sunrise
wherever
you are no matter where the Earth is in its orbit
around the sun and and sunset is always at 8:PM. If
you're living
in a
place
where your day turns out to be 6 months long, so
be
it. Work
it out. Serves you right for living in a weird place. |
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Perhaps instead of changing the clocks, we should all move one time zone to the east in the winter, and one time zone to the west in the spring? |
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Depending on which direction the first movement is, that's either going to be very bad for the population of California, or very bad for the population of Maine, Massachusets, New Jersey and Florida. |
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<folds out camp stool, unpacks thermos of coffee and bag of sandwiches, settles down to wait with evil anticipatory glee> |
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Naturally Indiana would stay put. |
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I spent two winters in Denver, and I swore each one would be my last. |
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You can have my California when you pry it from my warm, dead fingers. |
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Your proposal is acceptable. |
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We will all move to 'alt-time', where it is always
whatever time you say it is |
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Why don't we all just move to GMT and to hell with it? |
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I came up with a better title for this concept to get people
behind it: Daylight Median Time. |
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I've created the web domain "daylightmediantime.com" |
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Going to make this a back burner project of mine. |
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This is somewhat baked. My home state (Western Australia)
has always voted to just leave the fucking clocks alone, and has
not adopted daylight saving in the first place. |
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Yes, but if you spend your entire life in holes scrabbled in the dirt, daylight doesn't have much relevance anyway .... |
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//Why don't we all just move to GMT// |
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This is the thing about clock time, it always descends into a "why don't we all" and the expectation that the Governement will Decide for us. |
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In actuail fact, there is nothing stopping each and any one of us from unilaterally deciding to adhere to whatever time we choose to. If you want to stick to GMT then do so. |
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You can say to your friends, I'll meet you at the pub at 15.00 GMT. It's up to them to do the conversion into their own personal time-zone. |
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That's not necessarily a problem. You could consider it a way to weed out from your "friends" those who are not clockologically temporate. |
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Dr. Dan Streetmentioner (q.v.) may write/be writing/ have written something helpful on that topic. |
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Should be "Daylight Meditation Time". The world would be a
much better place if it was forced upon us to sit in silence for
an hour at season change. Ommmm. |
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//time travelers trying to kick the habit// it's very hard, I can't get slower than one day forward per day. |
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Pehaps you would be interested in trying BorgCo's special "Time Brakes" ? Think "Groundhog Day" with added slo-mo ... |
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// bloody boring fourteen century. // |
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Yes, stuck there with all those tedious Plantagenets endlessly hacking at one another, waiting and waiting for the Tudors to finally turn up and make things interesting ... |
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And still they're arguing about which should be made
permanent, hour forward or hour back. |
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I can't find any reference to anybody suggesting just
splitting the difference, the obvious solution. I can't be the
first one to have
thought of this. Maybe among the first million, but I can't
find a single reference. |
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Daylight saving time is only important at higher latitudes; near the equator, the variation in day length summer to winter is very small. |
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Thus the issue that needs to be fixed is the spherical nature of your planet. |
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If the crust were peeled off, and wrapped around a cylindrical former, the issue of seasonal variation would be fixed once and for all. |
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Even simpler, just tilt the axis of rotation of your planet so that it's at right angles to the plane of the ecliptic. Don't forget to move your moon at the same time. That will have the advantage of locking the tidal range as well. |
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//splitting the difference, the obvious solution// |
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Would the splitting respect the current whole-hour-based time zones? Or would new time-zone boundaries need to be drawn, exactly bisecting each of the current zones, so that one half of each time zone can move forward 30 mins and the other half backwards? |
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The current situation is that the sun is directly overhead at 12:00 GMT in Greenwich, and as the observer moves further West the zenith is reached progressively - up to one hour, 15 degrees of longitude- later. |
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Daylight saving time moves the clock forward one hour, meaning that 12:00 at the meridian is one hour before the astronomical zenith. |
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So, class, what is the answer to [poc]'s question ? |
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(raises hand) Can we get a window open? |
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<Wonders where [doc] got that hand/> |
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Put that away, and wipe the blood up. It's not big, and it's not clever. It's also very worrying. |
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Yes, you can have a window open, if you want. Just double-click the relevant icon. |
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I propose firing an enormous cannon one hour and
forty minutes before dawn, every day. Start the day
off with a bang. |
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We suggest that you make preparations for the moment that the mob of very angry people (sleep deprivation is notorious for making its victims irritable) turn up at your residence. This will probably be on the second or third day after the bangs start; they'll need a while to work out that it's not a lone event, get organized, collect agricultural implements (and in some cases sharpen them) and take some paracetamol to help with the banging headaches they have. |
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On the plus side, they're likely to be chanting "murmur murmur murmur" rather than "RHUBARD RHUBARB RHUBARB"; the downside is that you'll have rather less warning of their approach. |
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Don't scream; you'll only antagonize them even more ... |
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// If the crust were peeled off, and wrapped around a
cylindrical former// |
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SMBC proposed that a while ago, [8th]. (Sorry, don't have a
link). No, wait: I have. And it was only a few weeks. |
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That idea is to put the existing crust on the inside of a cylinder; ours is to put it on the outside, thus solving the problem of solar illumination. |
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