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As amusing as the the new style warnings on cigarette packets are (my personal favorite is smoking will cause you to die a slow painful lingering death, or words to that effect), they seem to be having little effect on the number of people smoking (no one i know has given up thus far!). If the government
really want to discourage smoking, why not change the packaging to read things like "i smoke to compensate my tiny todger", or "i smoke because i have a pathetic lack of will power", or even "i still smoke because i am so blindingly studid that even the old style packaging complete with death threats didn't stop me". These messages should be printed on the packaging, as well as on each ciggarette (which could be coloured pink or be wrapped in glittery tinsel!), as i am sure this would remove any "cool" conceptions of smoking!.
I am aware that all smoking halfbakers will probably fishbone me automatically (no smoking in the bakery though i hope!), but hopefully there are enough non smokers who like this idea!
Keeping Warnings Ineffective
http://www.quit.org...ndI/fandi/c05s6.htm
How the tobacco industry fights efective pack warnings; the Australian experience [jpk, Oct 04 2004, last modified Oct 21 2004]
What the warning lable doesn't tell you
http://www.acsh.org.../smoking/index.html
ACSH's pamphlet on the vast gap between what the warning label tells you and what the facts are [jpk, Oct 04 2004, last modified Oct 21 2004]
Canada's graphic warning labels are effective
http://tobaccofreek...se.php3?Display=432
Research shows that Canada's new graphic pack warning labels are effective [jpk]
Research findings on warning labels
http://www.ash.org..../html/warnings.html
summary of findings from a number of studies on the effectiveness of health warnings [jpk, Oct 04 2004, last modified Oct 21 2004]
(?) Research findings on warning labels
http://www.ash.org..../html/warnings.html
summary of findings from a number of studies on the effectiveness of health warnings [jpk, Oct 04 2004, last modified Oct 05 2004]
Death Cigarettes
http://www.alastair...ages/cigarettes.htm
Picture of a packet of Death Cigarettes.
If you've ever seen any of the Silk Cut ads in the UK, go and see the linked page of Silk Cut ads. Quite interesting. [hippo, Oct 04 2004, last modified Oct 21 2004]
Warnings we'd like to see
http://www.sptimes....d_you_to_know.shtml
What one person's tobacco death looks like. A warning you probably won't be seeing on a cigarette pack any time soon. [jpk, Oct 04 2004, last modified Oct 05 2004]
Warnings we'd like to see
http://www.sptimes....d_you_to_know.shtml
What one person's tobacco death looks like. A warning you probably won't be seeing on a cigarette pack any time soon. [jpk, Oct 21 2004]
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Hitler was kicked out of school at age 8 for smoking. Look what happened. You should be ashamed of your elf. |
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A sound bite chip could bellow out a warning each time a cigarette is removed. |
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Baked (in a way) in Canada. Health Canada puts some really scary looking warnings on some of the packs, one has a photo of the inside of a diseased lung. |
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And you’re right; it doesn't seem to be working. |
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//If the government really want to discourage smoking//
No government, of any political persuasion, wants to discourage smoking; it's far too good a cash cow. |
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Warnings on packets just do not work. The damage from smoking is much too insidious. If the smoker could somehow be made aware of the stench of their breath. |
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I am a smoker and I thank you [Mike Oliver] for the laugh. I would love to see this baked!! |
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While you're at it, why don't you lobby to put warning labels on bags of heroin? |
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Believe it or not, we've had this discussion before. We've still yet to arrive at a resolution. |
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krelnik, i am well aware that there are already warnings on cigarette packets, did you actually read the text. Equally i am aware this is not working!!!!
I am not suggesting whether or not smoking should be discouraged, but with the ban on advertising and the new style warnings, it is apparent that someone wants to discourage it! This would be a way of doing it! |
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Q. is the ban on advertising only in the UK? |
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Europe i think!
They are moving quite a few grand prix because of it! |
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Ps does anyone know how to pluralise grand prix??? |
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//dollar signs on cigarette paper//
Kinda like snorting coke thru a hundred dollar bill? Doesn’t seem to work, does it? |
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Is anyone familiar with what a "cigarrette load" is? I heard about them from my father, they were big in the early fifties --- a novelty item that is placed inside a cigarrette. After the cigarrette is smoked to a certain point, the "load" blows up, embarrassing the smoker with a curled up cigarrette end left in their mouth. Maybe these could be placed in one in every one hundred cigarrettes to discourage smoking? |
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Yes, the old "exploding cigar" trick. Someone's recently posted that (again) as a means of reducing smoking (or smokers). |
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Folks, as much as I enjoy a good
conspiracy theory, we might try
an informed one here.
The history is: the tobacco industry has for over 30 years
lobbied hard and successfully
to keep warning labels tepid
and ineffective: "could be
hazardous" and so on.
The effect
has been exactly what the industry
wanted: enough pretend warning
that the industry can use it
in court to blame the customer,
but nowhere near a
accurate warning of what this
product does to its customers.
Now, finally, after over 30
years, a few warning labels
are beginning to emerge on
packs without being watered
down by the tobacco industry.
The industry is fighting this
very hard, it's not used to
losing after 30 years, but
the new warnings are getting out.
And research shows they are
effective.
//warnings on packets
just do not work
Some warnings don't work, some do.
The former are the ones we're
all used to, and they're the
ones the tobacco
industry has gotten weakened.
The latter are the recent ones,
still by far the exception
on packs sold.
The 1965 warning labels on cigarettes are now recognized
as a master stroke by the
tobacco industry. By accepting
weak warnings into federal law,
it pre-empted any effective
warnings from the states, and
locked out any progress on
effective warnings for a generation. This became an example of "give an inch,
gain a decade" strategy for
the industry.
The industry is now fighting to
keep the warnings not very effective: e.g. text instead of graphic, so the graphic of the
pack or the ad overwhelms the
text of the warning, and so on.
// No government, of any political persuasion, wants to discourage
smoking; it's far too good a cash cow
This is true of the tobacco client states (Japan, Germany, and the US).
It's not true of most governments.
Norway, for instance has mounted
an enormously successful campaign
that has greatly reduced smoking.
Even within the US, it varies.
CA and MA, for instance, have
also mounted successful campaigns
that have reduced smoking. Other states have virtually gone into
a partnership with the tobacco industry.
So it's not that simple. |
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Get off our backs please, if we want to enjoy something potentialy dangerous, thats our choice, people do dangerous things for fun all the time. Exp. Survivor - Nascar - Rock climbing - Parachuting - Bunjee jumping - on and on. I think people should not have public access to it (Corporate empire gone), and if someone wants to grow their own, or share it with their friends, let em.... Peace begins with tolerance |
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That didn't have to be said, fogfreak. Tobacco companies will not adopt strategies that make their product deliberately unappealing (exploding cigs, humiliating design, etc.). They're trying to make money (duh). |
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I remember about 10 years ago
Death cigarettes were very
popular (see link). They had much
more dramatic warnings than were
legally necessary at the time but,
of course, were sold as 'cool'
rather than 'stupid'. |
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Sounds to me like a problem with the system, not smokers. What right will they take away next to ease the burden of corrupt financial institutions? |
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// if someone wants to grow their own, or share it with their friends, let em
Actually I'm totally in agreement with that.
The industry that got hundreds of
millions addicted to product secretly engineered for addiction,
that wasn't about growing your
own.
And the resulting 10 million
dead Americans since 1964,
you'd find very few of them
who grew their own either.
The product we're talking about
is highly engineered by an
industry that studied the
brain neurochemistry of the
customer, and modified the product
to be as addictive as possible.
We're not talking about homegrown here.
And we're sure not talking about
sharing. This industry makes
over $100 billion a year on
this product. That's not
done with sharing.
// Survivor - Nascar - Rock climbing - Parachuting - Bunjee jumping
This is the image the industry
likes to project for the product -- a risk like any other, which
customers take because they like
the product so much.
In fact, most customers of this
product don't like the product
and want to quit. They don't
take risk because they want to,
but because they're addicted.
And in fact, it's not a risk like
any other. Imagine if bungee
jumping killed every third bungee
jumper. THAT is the "risk" of
the product in question. Imagine
if parachuting killed every third
parachutist, or rock climbing
killed every third climber.
How about if NASCAR killed a third
of all drivers?
So the industry image: smoking
is like adventure sports. You'll
see it in millions of dollars of
ads the industry buys every year.
The reality is different.
It's not as fun. |
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A bouncer at a Manhattan nightclub died Sunday after he was stabbed in a brawl that police said began when he tried to enforce the city's new ban on smoking in bars and restaurants.
Would that be a smoking-related death? |
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//if someone wants to grow their own, or share it with their friends// |
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You've hit on the ideal solution: Make it illegal to sell tobacco leaf-derived products for reward (or alternatively it should be very very highly taxed and priced out of the reach of children). |
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Addicted smokers would argue they have a right to continue to smoke and they have to get it somewhere. They can grow their own. The hassle of growing one's own plant will do everyone a world of good; literally. Keeping one's own plant, grown from seed, would limit the habit. I suppose it's a bit like Saudi Arabia. Hard-core alcoholics can always make a still, but a lack of booze in the shops and pubs cuts general consumption dramatically. |
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Anyway, the lack of a viable cigarette industry would see advertizing stopped overnight. Well maybe not entirely; I can imagine BAT advertising their premium seed blend. |
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Sorry, new to the bakery, but had to log in on this one. I smoke, wish I didn't, but I do. As for someone else paying my medical expenses because I'm stupid enough to smoke.... someone always pays. No matter the country, some are worse than others, there is always a program to subsidize someone elses stupidity. If its not one, than its another.... it will never go away. |
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//Hitler was kicked out of school at age 8 for smoking//
But Conan O'Brien made it seem funnier if Hitler didn't smoke.
"Here is one of the cigarette industry's anti-smoking ads."
Cut to black & white shot of Hitler in bunker, writing something on paper. Nazi guard enters from left.
"Thein cigarettes, mein Fuhrer," he says.
"NEIN!"
Tagline, on black background: "BE LIKE HITLER. DON'T SMOKE."
(sorry about my lack of German spelling) |
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-UnaBubba - As the system stands now, I agree. |
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So what the ad is realy saying, is be like the people who forged Hitlers mind and made the cigarettes an issue. Of course im not considering the age factor here, he was only 8. |
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maybe the warnings on the cig packets are a competition, like "Collect all 5"! |
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Wow that has stressed me out, its scary...... I need a
cigarette. |
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People already started to use covers in their packets, so this is all useless... |
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how about people merely taking responsibility for their own actions (smoking, guns, mcdonalds, etc) and the govt stop bailing out those who dont (enron, american airlines, welfare recipients,...). |
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Personally, I am a non-smoker. I don't really care for it, I also have no problem with it. All this basically boils down to the non-smokers forcing their beliefs on smokers. Something people in this world love to do, anything from religion to government. Somebody is always out there forcing others that their way is best. |
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Children know smoking is going to hurt them. They also know the label on fireworks says "place on ground, light fuse, get away" and how a firework can hurt them. Do you think that embarassing them for lighting fireworks in their hands and throwing them is going to stop them? Doubt it. They're going to find a place where others welcome firework throwing, so they can throw fireworks until they're content. So is the situation today. People ban smoking, smokers congregate in the most inhospitable areas and get pissy at non-smokers for making them go way out of their way. |
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Personally, I think there should be areas where smokers can enjoy a cigarette without giving off "deadly second-hand smoke" to whiny non-smokers. Say, a restaurant split in half by a wall. A portion of an office building dedicated only to smokers. All with vents. I can just imagine a smoker's productivity after a full day's work without a cigarette. |
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Alot of what you hear about smoking, the reasons why, what age, etc. is misleading. Most just want to see what all the fuss is about. As long as there are smokers out there catching the blame for something they won't give up doing and being humiliated or taxed for, there's a kid out there thinking, "This must be something great. I've got to at least try it." |
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You can't just ban smoking alltogether. People will persevere. They will find a way. Any Americans out there remember the Prohibition? It did anything but stop drinking. It made it glamorous. It made anyone who got caught drinking a hero. |
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In short, don't humiliate/tax a smoker. They won't stop, and it will raise curiosity in the habit. Ban it alltogether, and you have another Prohibition. |
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// Red meat is after all the major cause // |
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No - as you point out in the same paragraph, the blinding stupidity of the general public is the major cause. |
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It appears that all your fishbones were lost in the Great
Hard Drive Crash (of 2004, if I recall right). |
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Thanks to our overblown omnipresent media I think people
know the score. It's 2016. Smoking, drinking, overeating, base
jumping, spearing fish among sharks -- if you wanna do it, do
it. If you get munched on or start hacking up blood it's not
like you can say you didn't know there were hazards involved.
Must we nanny everybody who insists on standing on their
motorcycle seat on the freeway? |
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