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Baby AI Creche
Take a gaming agent bolt on a chat bot & release in an MMO | |
I really would like to see someone at least try to develop some
AI worth calling AI for a change.
Deep Mind is being (or has been?) set loose on Blizzards
StarCraft
but if you
really want to develop something marginally convincing the
limitations even in that game are just too big, plus
it won't
talk
or bargain with opponents (no call for it in that game)
so no matter how good it is it won't
really feel any different to all the crappy AI already out there.
What I think would be interesting is a game agent that talks
but
it's not something anyone seems to have even started on.
Everything out there seems to be a pure chatbot (pointless,
how
are you supposed to develop AI with no reference points,
seems
like trying to swim in a vacuum to me) or a pure game agent
that
doesn't communicate (outside of entirely scripted
conversations)
Lets apply reinforcement
learning & neural nets to a
chatbot in an environment that actually provides some
meaningful context & consequences for it's conversations.
Actually give it a purpose other than inane pointless
chatter about how wonderfully circular my (your, if it's you
talking to it) own navel is.
Drop that in a nice large well populated open world MMO like
WOW or EVE & give it a bit of time & lets see what we get.
EDIT: added a few links.
These really seem to be the
extent of anyone's real ambitions in this area (that I can find
anyway).
Communication doesn't enter the mix at all
(as far as
I can see).
I've not bothered with any links for traditional "chatbots" as
they've really not changed since Alan
had
a bash at it (people have just added more words to
spreadsheets, which isn't progress) & frankly the idea
those
things have anything to do with AI is pitiful.
DeepMind, Blizzard & StarCraft II
https://deepmind.co...search-environment/
[Skewed, Feb 22 2018]
Gaming Agents
https://www.analyti...learning-platforms/
[Skewed, Feb 22 2018]
A Unity Blog
https://blogs.unity...-a-beginners-guide/
[Skewed, Feb 22 2018]
Sexy Terminator Bot
http://c8.alamy.com...les-2008-BPWM94.jpg
[Skewed, Feb 24 2018]
Sexy Robots
https://www.google....280&bih=653#imgrc=_
Well, it's what bigsleep asked for. [Skewed, Feb 24 2018]
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weapons dealers that say "hmmm... have you considered our <x> ? It'd give you a better rate of fire than what you've currently got, and ammo is more available in this region" |
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insiders that snitch on other players' activities... for a fee. |
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^ Or to quote my favourite game: "If you shop anywhere else, I'll have you killed" |
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Yup, I was thinking more along the lines of an artificial
player
than a game NPC though. |
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If we could get it to a point where it can convince others
it's someones seven year old son who's got into
their game account that they're playing with (or against) &
talking to that would be a huge success in my book. |
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// "If you shop anywhere else, I'll have you killed" // |
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Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range ? |
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"And how does getting fragged for the 30th time by
the f'ing computer make you feel?" |
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"I might be ELIZA but you are definitely the E-Loser!" |
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//reinforcement learning & neural nets// Are these nets going to be sophisticated enough to mesh incoming chatter and sense of the MMO with it's own self-built internal model of the MMO? I doubt this. |
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Tiny humans have the gear set up and primed to do this consciousness forming engineering. For computers the skeleton process hasn't been siliconed yet. We are hoping it will just magically appear on our time scale rather than evolution's eternity. |
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//We are hoping it will just magically appear// |
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We are proposing using the player driven
activity of an MMO environment to train a neural net in the
normal tried tested & proved manner & including chat
among
the inputs & outputs alongside character health & wealth. |
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//on our time scale rather than evolution's eternity.// |
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I never said it would be fast. |
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That said I don't think it's unreasonable to hope for "some"
modestly pleasing results within a reasonable time-frame. |
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//consciousness forming engineering// |
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I would hope for a more persuasive
illusion of same than we currently have however,
eventually. |
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//What kind of bot are you trying to make ? One that could
chip up a self-driving car with a mini-gun to drive into NY
?// |
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This of course is why an MMO would make such a good AI
creche. |
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The ones that ended up doing that can just be deleted, no
harm no foul (bar a few exploded pixels & vaguely annoyed
players who "owned" the aforementioned pixels, before
they
got exploded), then you can go back to the drawing board,
redesign your reward set & start again. |
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Unless you want one to go reduce the population of NY of
course. |
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//What kind of bot are you trying to make ?// |
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Whatever kind you want to. |
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Me I'd like one that gave the
"appearance" of a having a veneer of intelligence, not for
any particular reason, just for the hell of it. |
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I think my "someone with the hots for Summer Glau circa
2009" circuits have just been tripped [linky]. |
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That's probably
more to do with the hardware than the software though
(discounting your own software of course). |
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It seems there's a more than a few people beavering away on
that for
you right now Biggy [link] so you may not have too long to
wait ;p |
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//Tiny humans have the gear set up// |
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Isn't that just for helping shoemakers? |
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What makes you think that's not precisely the world that we live in? |
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Probabilistically, it's a great deal more likely that we're products of a simulation, than that we're the original product of some unusual secret combination of natural laws and constants, in which case, this idea is very likely baked. The purpose of such a simulation may well be to develop strong AI-like behaviours, or even to determine what ingredients you need in order for them to develop, and how they will grow, in order to save a great deal of time and unnecessary armageddeen should you brew one of the tricky ones by mistake. |
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// it's a great deal more likely that we're products of a simulation, // |
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Bugger, that one's noticed. Shut it down quick before the others catch on. |
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The ebb and flow of the physical nature has to build the simulation for consciousness mechanics to bootstrap from. There always has to be hardware, a something. |
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It sure gets crowded here inside Ian's head. |
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The White King can hardly turn around in here. |
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What are all those purple jelly things, the ones with the tassels ? Where do the chocolate sprinkles come out ? Why is that pneumatic dromedary eating a brass zoetrope ? |
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[IT], isn't it time you had a tidy up in here ? There's all sorts of useless rubbish piled up. It would be much nicer if you had a good clear out, maybe got some professional decorators in, had the place redone ? The Feng Shui is just awful at the moment ... |
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Tell you what, we'll make you an offer on that dirty old oil lamp in the corner. What if we take it away and you can have this nice bright shiny new one ? |
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If (like me) you've read Brave New World, some of Huxley's
other stuff or much at all of some of his contemporaries
work
the word pneumatic (especially when seen in print) begins
to take
on a whole new (& somewhat specific) meaning.. |
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One in which "pneumatic dromedary" causes me to wonder
about your, um, "interests". |
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For brass zoetrope (perhaps fortunately) I have nothing. |
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// "pneumatic dromedary" causes me to wonder about your, um, "interests" // |
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It's not our interest... this is all happening inside [IT]'s head, not ours. He's the one who's mind is packed edge to edge with Really Weird Shit. |
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Not our fault. And he obviously has read Huxley because, well ... just look around. |
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Oh yes. That would be a stack of antic hay. With a needle in it. |
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Oh that is a nice reference (especially for the bakery),
Theodore Gumbril & his trousers :) |
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Gotta ask, has anyone plagiarized that one in here yet, & did
they get caught or did it slip under the radar? |
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Disclaimer: not one I have read, but it rang some alarms as a
title so I googled. |
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// it rang some alarms // |
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Presumably a crome yellow light came on, too ? |
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Nope, but those purple jelly things over there started waving
their tassels in the air.. |
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So I presumed [IT]'s subconscious was
trying to tell me something. |
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//The conscious bit is tiny and hardly worth bothering about// |
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But (perhaps perversely, or not) being the only bit you're
aware of it's the only bit you can bother about. |
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We disagree - it's possible to be bothered about things that you're not actually conscious of. It's the standard low-level existential angst that all humans experience - that odd unhappy feeling that something's wrong, and you've missed something really important, but you can't quite work out what ... |
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Whatever it is, it's probably over there round the back of that double size wire frame model of the Great Pyramid of Giza made from frozen lobster antennae, but if you go and look it will have moved. |
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Try to persuade [IT] to get rid of some of this clutter, will you ? |
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//that odd unhappy feeling that something's wrong, and
you've missed something really important, but you can't quite
work out what ...// |
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Oh that, that one's easy, it's always the gas you left
on. |
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