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Most criminals would be deterred from robbing a liquor
store
that has cameras that feature a drop down gun that's
manned
at the other end by a trained police officer.
But if they weren't, that 9-11 call or hitting of an alarm
button
would
result in an armed police presence within seconds.
In
addition to a firearm, less than deadly escalation of
force
devices such as mace or stun guns could be deployed.
I think the cop's aim would be better since he wouldn't be
having to worry about getting shot. He could just aim
and fire without having to take cover.
Again, guns would have to be hidden away deploying on
command since aiming a loaded gun at all your customers is
bad for business.
Here's another thought. This system lends itself to constant
training and drills via virtual simulations. The remote
marksmen on the other end would be specialists in remote
weapon firing not having to do anything else like patrolling,
breaking up bar fights, arresting people etc. I would think
this would be a lot safer than having an armed guard on the
premises who would spend most of their time trying to stay
awake. These remote sentries could protect thousands of
locations while being constantly run through drills and
training to prepare for actual armed robbery situations.
Gorgon stare reverse engineered
http://www.goldengr...tross-Concrete.html
Stross [not_morrison_rm, May 06 2014]
Jump forward to 4:13
https://www.youtube...watch?v=vaTe8PW9PVw
What happens when you allow humans to "monitor" other humans. [doctorremulac3, May 11 2014]
Killer robots
http://www.bbc.com/...technology-27343076
No need to worry, the UN is on the case. [doctorremulac3, May 12 2014]
[link]
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You want to live in a world where this things are ubiquitous? |
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I think I like more permissive carry laws better. |
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Would you want to be one of these coin operated snipers for a living? |
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Like the term "coin-op-sniper" though. |
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Sort of done in fiction - Charles Stross "The Concrete Jungle which is a subsection of the The Atrocity Archives...they reverse engineer the gorgon transmutation onto chips that are placed in all of the cctv cameras...which is great until hacks the network. Linky. |
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//I think I like more permissive carry laws better.// |
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Depending on the implementation, these cameras
would be safer. I mean, I only want guns because
many crazy people want guns. |
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With sufficiently good software, the unreliable
human element could be removed from this system. |
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How about security cameras that feature an electric cattle prod to
prevent police from looking at them except when absolutely
necessary thus minimizing the constant surveillance of innocent
people. |
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There's a great episode of one of my favorite shows:
"Penn & Tellers's Bullshit" where they set up a fake
government surveillance van, hire some people to
watch monitors aimed at a house where supposedly
terrorists live and secretly film what they do. Their
job is to call in when the
"terrorist" drives the car away from the house,
presumably with a bomb that he's going to blow up
someplace. |
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Then they hire a buxom actress to go to the house
next door and tell the guy (another actor) that she
needs to have sex with him right now. (the camera
was also fitted with directional microphones so the
subject can hear this) So the test subjects can either
do their job and watch the terrorist's car, or pan the
camera over to peep in on the hot sexy action next
door. |
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I won't insult your intelligence by telling you what
most of the test subjects did. (see link) |
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Anyway, the idea is these cameras would only be
activated when you call 911. Also, like any law
enforcement tool, there should be strict regulations
as to their use and harsh penalties for their misuse. |
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But hey, I'm not sure I'm sold on this idea myself yet,
but the upside, an immediate armed police presence
on the premises seconds after dialing 911 is
intriguing. |
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The first step towards having remote controlled
enforcement drones like ED 209, which is a great idea
as long as they're not autonomous. |
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I support Asimov's (I think it's Asimov's) rules of
robotics, that
robots should never be allowed to autonomously kill
people. Not sure you can do anything about it, but
it's
a really bad idea. |
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This idea is so bad I won't even |
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//I think I like more permissive carry laws better.// |
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Hmm, we combine the two, everyone who wants a gun gets one of these "Armed Security Camera" and they have to carry them around....limiting factors would be the length of tv cable and only being available in 1980's incredibly heavy video camera format.... |
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Legalized graft in America. |
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//coin operated sniper// [marked-for-posting] |
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//I support Asimov's (I think it's Asimov's) rules of robotics,
that robots should never be allowed to autonomously kill
people.// |
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I love how people who quote Asimov's Laws of Robotics
have obviously never read Asimov, since virtually every
story in which the Laws were brought up was about robots
finding creative ways to circumvent them. |
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^ which of course led to the 4th Law of Robotics: |
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"Don't be a smartass about Laws 1 through 3" |
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If this were a good idea, a better idea would be to
fly a fleet armed police drones around the city,
meaning you could direct fire at an incident within
seconds of it being called in. Of course, there would
be the occasional false-positive, but that's the
nature of policing, and it'd certainly make people
think twice before acting in ways identified in the
Prohibited Behaviours Catalogue - just imagine the
friendly leaflets "Your area has been chosen to be
included in armed drone trials. For your safety,
please read and take note of the following
information.". |
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//I love how people who quote Asimov's Laws of
Robotics have obviously never read Asimov, since
virtually every story in which the Laws were brought
up was about robots finding creative ways to
circumvent them.// |
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"A robot may not injure a human being or, through
inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. |
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A robot must obey the orders given to it by human
beings, except where such orders would conflict with
the First Law. |
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A robot must protect its own existence as long as
such protection does not conflict with the First or
Second Law." Isaac Asimov |
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So anybody who accurately quotes Asimov has
obviously never read Asimov? |
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Anyway, timely. The UN is hosting a discussion of just
this topic. See link. |
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Copies of those Laws are going to be pretty inconvenient to have laying about when robots become sentient. |
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I respectfully disagree with the bone-storm. I think this could be a force multiplier for a stretched thin police force. Especially if it were paid for by the places using it. |
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Although, on second thought, the biggest problem just occurred to me that nobody's mentioned yet. |
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Terrorist hackers could hack in and kill everybody in the store from miles, even continents away. |
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I'll leave the idea up to preserve the discussion, but that's the deal breaker for me. |
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[doctorremulac3], I'm going to go out on a limb here and venture that you play video games, but do not target practice with firearms or train as regards shoot/don't shoot situations. |
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Because I see no evidence here that you're concerned about the path the bullet takes after it passes through your target. Or that path it takes if the shooter misses the target. |
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I see no evidence of concern for bystanders. |
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I see no mechanism for the coin-op sniper to decide whether shooting is necessary and justified, or whether the store owner is grumpy and just wants to scare off a customer who's making trouble. |
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Sounds like a video game to me. |
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//I'm going to go out on a limb here and venture that you
play video games, but do not target practice with firearms
or train as regards shoot/don't shoot situations.// |
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While I see a problem with hackers getting into the system
and causing havoc, a bullet shot remotely has the same
penetration and associated risk to people behind the target
as a bullet shot by a person holding a gun. Less maybe since
the bullet is being fired from a high angle downwards
where a cop with a gun is firing on the same plane as the
innocent bystanders. |
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But the thing would have to be hack proof and that isn't an
easy thing to do. Other than that, I don't see any real
problem as this is just a simple, remote controlled law
enforcement droid. |
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Hmm, about about a drone that drops guided anvils? No danger of bullets whizzing around in horizontal plane. |
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Anyway, my point was that citizens would be allowed to bear arms, just extremely bulky and heavy to carry ones that are linked into the Police network. |
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You are locked out of firing the gun yourself, someone in the Police office does the firing. You press the red button, the cop looks through the camera, assesses the situation, and fires, or not. |
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// about about a drone that drops guided anvils // |
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Acme brand anvils, obviously. |
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//You are locked out of firing the gun yourself, someone in the Police office does the firing. You press the red button, the cop looks through the camera, assesses the situation, and fires, or not.// |
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Despite this bonestorm, I think this line of thinking should be explored. We have remote cameras going to police stations, some thought should be given to giving the officers some remote control tools to do something besides just gathering evidence of the crime for use after it's happened. |
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Maybe not this, but the general idea isn't without possibilities. We do need to ease into robotic law enforcement at some point. I suggest small, careful steps to avoid any ED 209 scenarios. |
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What if the weapon was loaded with tranquilizer darts? |
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You mean so you can sedate the person being robbed to lessen the stress of the experience? Not a bad idea. |
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Which reminds me of the standard joke I make when I'm getting a checkup and have both a doctor and a nurse in the room. (using my "doctor voice") "Nurse, bring me 10ccs of fentanyl, STAT! And get something for the patient too!" |
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It's a classic, but it still gets forced polite smiles from the medical staff. |
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" Despite this bonestorm, I think this line of thinking should be explored " |
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"If you don't think powerful tools won't be abused
90% of the time, just look down at your crotch area." |
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This is a great scifi premise. Really awesome. Two bored guys in a room supervise many of these things, which are stationed in various places around a large metro area. Then when the crisis hits (gas bomb attack? chaos!) the two of them have their sentinels trundle out of the bars and bodegas and into the streets to help. I imagine the guys having a hard time coordinating the actions of many of these things at once, and using them in unorthodox ways. |
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"You're not supposed to take it out of the store."
"But he grabbed that kid! We've got to do something!"
"How are you going to open the door? Its got no hands." |
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The streetside display window exploded outward in a shower of plate glass, starphone adverts and small pieces of candy. There was a pause, and then the sentinel lurched through the hole, landing facedown on the sidewalk. |
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I envision a big barrel chested sentinel covered with promotional stickers with a naked mannikin on one arm. It steps out of the saloon and into the path of an armored vehicle. |
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The sentinels are clunky and poorly maintained. They have a severely limited range of possible actions. They are almost jokes. They become heroes. |
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//"If you don't think powerful tools won't be abused 90% of the time, just look down at your crotch area."// |
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Now right there. THAT'S the kind of low brow, knuckle dragging humor that permeates the internet these days. |
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Which is why I surf the internet. |
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[bungston], you should go over the the movie idea category and follow up on that anno. Link back to this one in acknowledgement. |
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You start it and we'll help you flesh out the story. I'll get started thinking about casting. |
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Yeah, in the neighborhoods where these things would be marketable you know they'd be abused with energy drink stickers. |
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I picture something like those low budget ATMs you see in liquor stores and restaurants that have turned avoiding transaction fees into a revenue stream by passing them on to the customer. |
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With some kind of ubiquitous logo (SMARTGUN, LONGARM,SAFESECURE) that everybody knows really means "Freeze, essuckah!". |
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