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hmmm, water gets about an 0.5% volume change between
4-15C which is better than the ice-water system because
the phase change is a real energy suck. Also, 4-15 is
totally feasible on a day/night cycle in many parts of the
world. |
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So say you had some 10m tall tubes with pistons in,
between min/max temp you would get a 5cm throw,
which isn't great, but workable. The energy output would
be the throw * the force. How large can the force be?
well, liquids are non-compressible, so effectively
infinite??? It's here that I faced a fork in the road, free
energy Youtube video one way, self education the other. |
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Self-education yielded another high-school science lie,
liquids compress, there's curves and everything <link>. So
the energy output would, rather boringly, be limited to
the low grade thermal energy input extracted very slowly
and probably inefficiently. Sort of a Sterling engine,
without all the fuss. |
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Make the vessels rigid and conical, with a float on the top. |
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Ambient energy harvesting from a negative temperature differential - nice. |
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If you extrapolate those data points, the bottom of your
garden variety oceanic trench is worth a 5% density
increase, which should make it a little easier to float to the
surface should you find yourself there unexpectedly. |
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// the demon is perplexed // |
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And I'm confused. Is the demon perplexed as to where his potential energy has come from? Surely it comes from the water, as it freezes? |
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I suppose the water, when freezing and thus lifting
the
demon, must do some work under pressure, and
thus
freezes a tad slower than when not under any more
pressure than 1 atm. |
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bs0u, Im most interested in the potential from the
phase
change. Forget the min max temp differential, the
9% ice
expansion here is whats interesting, where a
reduction in thermal energy results in a potential
energy rise. |
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//I suppose the water, when freezing and thus lifting the demon, must do some work under pressure, and thus freezes a tad slower than when not under any more pressure than 1 atm. // |
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Quite so. And, reciprocally, you can melt ice by compressing it. |
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I'm pretty sure entropy is involved somewhere, but me and entropy have never seen eye to eye. |
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Don't worry, it'll approach your level of disorder
eventually... |
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