The first part of this idea has been discussed extensively. It is to overwhelm North Korean defenses with dropped food transported by balloon, robot, catapult, parachute, and any other method that doesn't sent people across the border. The North Korean government wouldn't have enough legitimacy in the eyes of their own starving soldiers to respond via attack. Whatever lies were told about the food it would soon become obvious that it's eatable, nutritious, and tasty. No one starving in North Korea, especially in the death camps, could go hungry if bombarded with enough easily concealed food in enough places.
The food would have only the message already allowed by the North Korean government: "A gift of the people of (originating country)"
The cost of the food offensive would be a slim fraction of the cost of a hot war, especially if prepared for years in advance by warehousing extra food (very slightly raising food prices)
The food offensive would continue on a regular basis for at least two years until no North Korean bothers to ask their government for food.
Then a third year of food. But these food packets would have a note on them. It would say that the food drops will stop in a year (eleven months... ten months...) and it may be wise to start planting and storing food. It would also say that more food is freely available to any North Korean bearing this message, and he only need pick it up in South Korea. It would suggest that the noble leader would certainly allow North Koreans over the border to not starve.
In the unlikely chance a trickle of people were allowed over the border camps would be set up to provide food to any North Korean as promised. In this case they would also be given very concealable communications devices (also carried over in the last month's food packets) and the chance to defect.
If North Koreans are allowed over the border it will create a high bandwidth communication stream between (presumably somewhat trusted and personally known) defectors and other North Koreans. This communication will help them realize how truly horrible their government is.
If North Koreans are not allowed over the border there should be a broad spontaneous revolt near the DMZ including some of the North Korean military. There should be enough people miffed at not being fed for the first time in years (or panicking because the food they are getting is obviously from the now stopped gifts which must run out in time) to turn this revolt into a full fledged revolution.-- Voice, Apr 22 2014 Brainwashing http://www.dailylif...20140407-36860.htmlThe plight of the North Korean. [Voice, Apr 22 2014] canned fried silkworm http://blog.greggma...es/random/kaiko.jpg [not_morrison_rm, May 01 2014] North Korean soldiers are quite well-fed. It's one way to ensure which way the guns will point in case the starving masses revolt (ever wonder how the Beefeaters got their nickname?). A number of other professional classes eat pretty well, certainly anyone whose job puts them in contact with foreigners. You're also not really accounting for the extreme degree of indoctrination these people undergo from the moment of birth, not to mention that launching anything into North Korean airspace via any means could (and almost certainly would be) construed as an attack.
Just because the combined military might of any and all nations inclined to do so could stomp North Korea flat does not mean that it would be easy or a good idea. Quite a lot of effort and expense goes into not poking this particular bear, stunted and ridiculous bear that it may be.-- Alterother, Apr 22 2014 I think maybe if you left everything stuck at the phase 1 stage, you might be more effective if you were very patient. If the government is holding onto power by withholding food, then taking that power away is probably enough to make whatever change is possible eventually happen of its own accord. At its own time.
The problem with taking it away is that you're now taking on a role more akin to that of the government there. Only now it's the nice neighbours who are saying, "Do my bidding or starve". You can't win a moral conflict by surrendering the moral high ground.
There's another way of looking at this. In a way, North Korea almost wants things to be the way they are. I mean that if they really wanted freedom, they would offer at least some resitance. Think of small things like Soviet era Russians risking their lives to get Uriah Heep or Beatles albums and so on. Maybe? Call this some Edward de Bono po.-- skoomphemph, Apr 22 2014 from 1984. this passage and what happens next lives in the groove that it carved in my brain when I read it.
/The man sat down on the bench at a little distance from Winston. Winston did not look at him again, but the tormented, skull-like face was as vivid in his mind as though it had been straight in front of his eyes. Suddenly he realized what was the matter. The man was dying of starvation. The same thought seemed to occur almost simultaneously to everyone in the cell. There was a very faint stirring all the way round the bench. The eyes of the chinless man kept flitting towards the skull-faced man, then turning guiltily away, then being dragged back by an irresistible attraction. Presently he began to fidget on his seat. At last he stood up, waddled clumsily across the cell, dug down into the pocket of his overalls, and, with an abashed air, held out a grimy piece of bread to the skull- faced man./-- bungston, Apr 22 2014 The issue of North Korea and it's people is not funny.-- pashute, Apr 22 2014 The dear leader does not have nukes.
I'm refraining from posting North America Food Offensive because it really is not funny.-- zeno, Apr 22 2014 //The issue of North Korea and it's people is not funny.//
Well, it is a bit. Like the business with the haircuts. And that puppet of Kim Jong Il in the Team America movie. That was fairly funny.-- MaxwellBuchanan, Apr 22 2014 I must admit I am intrigued by zeno's possible North American food offensive. Could lefty continentals seduce Texans into caring for their fellow humans by plying them with fresh bread and real cheese? I like that experiment!-- bungston, Apr 22 2014 //The dear leader does not have nukes//
Really? As far as I'm aware, they've had 3 nuclear tests that we know of, two of which were in the multiple kilotonne range, and the best info available says the third test was in the 40kT range (that's a little over twice the Hirosima' bomb "little man" 's yield). That's nuclear capability in anyone's books.
Estimates vary, but consensus is they have enough weapons grade material for between 5 and 20 devices.
Sure, they don't have MIRV tipped trident-III sea-launched ballistic missiles. But they're offensive weapons. When it comes to resisting invasion - you don't really need a delivery system, or at least not a long range one. Their bombs could be fucking hand-crank operated, the size of a shipping container, and they could hide them in plain sight and fuck up any invader's day.
The minute they detonated a nuclear device was the minute that invasion pretty much became impractical.
As to the idea, I think change is inevitable, it's a bit like entropy. Every civilisation falls. The lesson history has for us is that intervention never works. never. Show me one example of well-meaning intervention into internal politics having a long term positive effect.
Their path forward is going to be drenched in blood whichever way it goes - there's no such thing as a bloodless revolution. I'd prefer it wasn't our blood.-- Custardguts, Apr 22 2014 // Show me one example of well-meaning intervention into internal politics having a long term positive effect.// Das Dritten Reich?
On sane people intervention works fine. It's only idiots it fails for.-- skoomphemph, Apr 23 2014 //Show me one example of well-meaning intervention into internal politics having a long term positive effect.//
Define long term?-- theircompetitor, Apr 23 2014 Sorry....North Korea is not interesting...it's 1984 type hate figure. Plenty of other crappy totalitarian states to fuss about.
From experience, quite a lot of older South Koreans are like North Koreans, hate Americans for machine-gunning refugee columns in the war and for the more recent ironing of two schoolgirls into the tarmac with a tracked vehicle, hate Russians for shooting down their jet, hate the Japanese for colonialist times. The whole peninsular is an area of Olympic-standard grudge bearing.-- not_morrison_rm, Apr 23 2014 The United States Military: inflaming brushfire wars since 1962!-- Alterother, Apr 23 2014 I stand corrected-- zeno, Apr 23 2014 The issue isn't whether or not we can depose the NK government, it's whether or not we want to. Right now the consequences of that are much worse than the status quo, so don't expect anything to happen soon.-- DIYMatt, Apr 23 2014 Well put. The last thing we need is another country full of mouths to feed.-- Alterother, Apr 23 2014 //The last thing we need is another country full of mouths to feed
Yes, that was the usual conversation in South Korea, with the Koreans. It's their problem, not yours.
NK is just some distraction....so why does the news media keep talking about it....since the armistice the number of fatalities in NK vs the rest of the world is in single figures.-- not_morrison_rm, Apr 23 2014 It's a matter of economics, but wrongly calculated.
Yes, food costs less than a US military strike.
But, food for the entire population for years will cost far more than the few bullets here & there by the local government needed to keep order.
And, people can't "stop" doing something. They have to "start" something to replace it. You can't deliver democracy by dropping things from the sky, no matter how benign.-- sophocles, Apr 23 2014 //NK is just some distraction....so why does the news media keep talking about it// because I think everyone knows that it can only stay this way for so long. Eventually SOMETHING has to happen, either the North Koreans will overthrow their government or there will be another war. How long can it stay the way it is, another 60 years? We have that long to figure out a solution that doesn't result in millions of deaths.-- DIYMatt, Apr 24 2014 If the North Korean leadership actually goes so far over the deep end as to force a hot war it may actually solve the so- called 'China problem' by forging a Sino-American alliance.-- Alterother, Apr 24 2014 // If the North Korean leadership actually goes so far over the deep end as to force a hot war.
Never happen.
so why does the news media keep talking about it// because I think everyone knows that it can only stay this way for so long
It's been like this since the Armistice of 1950-whatever.
Top marks for weirdness was 2002 the former special forces guys from the Korean Army (South) were rioting cos their pensions got cut, beat the crap out of the riot police, from memory one of the spooks complained "We've been laying out lives on the line sneaking over the border assassinating people and blowing shit up and look at our pensions"-- not_morrison_rm, Apr 24 2014 //Never happen.//
Why not? The little leader is nuttier than a chipmunk's shit, and the populace thinks he's god. Is there really anything stopping them?
//Top marks for weirdness ...// I don't for a minute believe that North Korea has the sole monopoly of post-armistice war crimes or aggression.-- Custardguts, Apr 28 2014 //Is there really anything stopping them?
Yes, they would lose.
//I don't for a minute believe that North Korea has the sole monopoly of post-armistice war crimes or aggression.
Erm, in the last whatever years NK related fatalities have been lower than some hick town's car accident fatality rate, so virtually everywhere in the world is more dangerous to your health than being near NK.-- not_morrison_rm, Apr 29 2014 Elba?-- pertinax, Apr 29 2014 Well, this is Korean, and "food" and the smell is definitely offensive, it's the canned fried silkworms you can buy in the 7-11. See link.-- not_morrison_rm, May 01 2014 random, halfbakery