At work I'm constantly moving about and sometimes I glance downwards to find my tie is twisted. I attribute this to my thin, marathoners' neck and flimsy felt/silk ties.

Although there is little to do about my neck, except stop running and that won't happen until the pain in my knees turns into fused bone, it is possible to stiffen the tie. Perhaps, if a piece of cardboard, about ten centimeters long and the width of a tie, was placed behind the felt and folded with the tie into The Windsor(Or the four-in-hand for the morons), the knot would have the appropriate backing so as to stop twisting and making me look like someone who uses the four-in-hand method.

This cardboard tie stiffener should do the trick of keeping the tie from twisting. Now all is needed is something to keep the damn thing from getting caught in the fax machine.
-- ImBack, Mar 02 2003

how-to-tie-a-necktie-knot.com is taken http://www.how-to-t..._windsor_knot.shtml
[thumbwax, Oct 04 2004]

Side benefit of tie-clips http://www.enex.net...rince%20Charles.jpg
[thumbwax, Oct 04 2004]

Slip resistant shoe laces http://www.halfbake...tant_20shoe_20laces
How about an expanding tie? [phoenix, Oct 04 2004]

How to tie a know http://www.dantas.com/gravatas/
How's your Portugese? [dalek, Oct 04 2004]

This will not help http://babelfish.al...ta.com/babelfish/tr
"The first one prices to follow relates distinct we of necktie who I found until the moment (for conventional neckties)." [angel, Oct 04 2004]

The only tie you will ever need http://www.halfbake...ariable-Width_20Tie
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Fishties http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Fishties
Creative web terrorism. [my face your, Oct 04 2004]

Wooden ties - fishtail oak http://www.rainycit...ak-cherry-inlay.jpg
[thumbwax, Oct 04 2004]

<Teases with croissant>While a tie clip might be the cure, you're proposing an alternative which I'm unaware of in baked form. As usual, with an idea I like, I'll wait to bun until someone demonstrates whether your version is baked or not. <das boot>Now ve vait.</das boot></Teases with croissant>
-- thumbwax, Mar 02 2003


Put a piece of felt into most ties, and they'll be way too thick to tie into a full Windsor knot. Furthermore, I have never had a good quality tie twist like that.

Either you are using a half Windsor or cheapo ties.
-- DrCurry, Mar 02 2003


I've never encountered this problem. Perhaps the solution lies in measures of prevention, such as learning how to properly tie a tie?
-- X2Entendre, Mar 02 2003


Yes, what Curry said. The Full Windsor is the path to your salvation.
-- waugsqueke, Mar 02 2003


Cardboard isn't durable enough (however, you *could* make your own out of cereal boxes....) so it would have to be plastic to market it....

can't see much of a market though....try Dr. Curry's School of Tie Knotting...or only show up on casual Fridays....
-- OpheliaFrump, Mar 02 2003


('wax, that link mistakenly shows the Four in Hand... dunno why.)
-- waugsqueke, Mar 02 2003


<practical joker>sssssh - this site links four-in-hand and full-windsor choices to the same page - heh</practical joker>
-- thumbwax, Mar 02 2003


I use a knot called the "7 comma 5" or somesuch, fairly recently discovered by a couple of mathematicians at Cambridge University. I also have experienced no problems with regard to twisting.
-- angel, Mar 03 2003


Alternatively, many if not most quality tie makers provide a sewn in label on the backside of their ties near the bottom of the larger end. Usually this label is mounted horizontally and tacked only at the corners or vertical edges, and thereby provides a flat loop of sorts. Those same quality tie makers will tell you not to insert the thin end of your necktie through the loop after making your knot. But doing so has never harmed a tie as far as I have been able to determine and it certainly helps to stop any problem with the tie twisting or flopping around in an embarrassing fashion.
-- jurist, Mar 03 2003


If you had metal buttons on your shirt, you could put strips of flexible magnetic material on the back of the tie, and the tie would then adhere.
-- 8th of 7, Mar 03 2003


velcro buttons would do the same thing and not set off metal detectors
-- lintkeeper2, Mar 03 2003


I think full windsors look too bulky, though, for a lot of ties.
-- bristolz, Mar 03 2003


Agreed... it only works well with thin silk ties, and they have to be yanked nice and tight.
-- waugsqueke, Mar 03 2003


I do use a half windsor knot, and my ties twist because my neck is thin and my body is long. For my ties to reach just below the belt buckle, as is the style to cover the loins while sitting, I must tie the knot with the thinest part of the tie's taper. This thin fabric twists easily below the knot, cardboard would provide the rigidity to the base of the knot and thus prevent twisting.
-- ImBack, Mar 03 2003


Take canister of spray liquid nitrogen to work. Every 10 minutes freeze tie.
-- Zircon, Mar 04 2003


Are you channelling [DrCurry] there, [UnaBubba]?
-- angel, Mar 04 2003


I think the author states his want/need and circumstance of being an athletic, thin, tall guy well. Without use of a tie clip, this is a call to halfbaking action. Though I haven't seen any indication the author has tried extra long ties, which are, after all, an option - there's a good halfbaked quality to the idea, as well. Were something like this to be implemented, I think the stiffener would need to actually be separate from the tie - lining the forward half of the shirt, closer to the neck than the collar(s), but not all the way around, for comfort's sake. This would stiffly run the length of the tie which is displayed. It's almost as if there'd be 2 ties - one which is rigid hidden beneath the necktie. In order to bake this, you might consider modifying a clip-on tie by removing the soft material, and replacing it with something else in order to facillitate the use of something which lends structure beneath the necktie.
-- thumbwax, Mar 04 2003



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