It pisses me off when people leave me negative votes, but don't say why! Why not make it compulsory to leave a comment along with your vote, even a short sentance to give an opinion. This would make for much more constructive debates!-- MikeOliver, Apr 06 2003 krelnik's help file http://timfarley.ho...g.com/half_faq.htmlYou may or not have seen this already, Mike, but these are the ropes, do you don't have to get to know them the hard way. [my face your, Oct 04 2004, last modified Oct 06 2004] No, no, no, no, no. No.People explain their votes if they want, but sometimes reasons are either too complicated, too personal, or purely too simplistic to warrant an explanation. Either that, or people just don't want to. Like me.-- Parvenu, Apr 06 2003 hopefully people don't vote based on my typing!-- MikeOliver, Apr 06 2003 You're sailing reasonably close to the wind with this one, Mike. You couldn't possibly have known this but back in the day there was a particularly persistent troll who posted an 'idea' called "Mandatory Reason to Vote No" which is, arguably, pretty much what you've posted here. The troll suffered the full force of the ire of the 'bakists. Be careful that you don't - through no fault of your own - get tarred with the same brush.
Don't sweat the 'bones, they are nowhere near as important as the annotations.-- my face your, Apr 06 2003 without knowing what this "mandatory reason.." was about, i couldn't possibly comment on its similarity to this idea. I am not trying to stir up a fuss, but an idea with a load of minus votes, but little or no annotation would mean little to me! Just an idea to improve feedback!-- MikeOliver, Apr 06 2003 what [myfi] didn't say is, that this is not an original idea - it pops its little head up about once a month.-- po, Apr 06 2003 i did search for the idea before i posted it and found no mention!-- MikeOliver, Apr 06 2003 "Mandatory Reason to Vote No" - synopsis If you're going to fishbone, you have to supply a reason. The idea died with the Troll which is why I said "...you couldn't possibly have known this..."
Please have a look at the link I've provided. It really is very worthwhile.-- my face your, Apr 06 2003 i looked at the link! are you refering to the final point, don't criticise the bakery?-- MikeOliver, Apr 06 2003 There is also the autoboner to contend with. I don't think I've seen an un-boned idea in quite a while.-- 2 fries shy of a happy meal, Apr 06 2003 have no idea what the auto boner is!-- MikeOliver, Apr 06 2003 The autoboner doesn't exist. There is a theory amongst some users that there is another user who automatically votes negatively on everything. This theory is false.
It is interesting to watch voting patterns here and I think it undeniable that a certain amount of voting takes place based not upon the idea but upon who the idea belongs to or upon what general category the idea falls in to or, even, that the idea touches upon some topic or hot-button word but that is only peripheral to the idea. I think of it like taxes, an inevitable expense of participating on the halfbakery.-- bristolz, Apr 06 2003 sounds like a swine. having to comment when voting would end the auto boner's reign of terror!-- MikeOliver, Apr 06 2003 Commenting would reveal who the voters are which would effectively eliminate voting.
Some people do explain their negative votes and some don't.
In any case, the way it works is the way it works and it isn't likely to change. [Parvenu] stated it well in the first anno.-- bristolz, Apr 06 2003 bris, has just said that the theory is false. what about the one that says there is three of them working shifts?-- po, Apr 06 2003 i don't agree that it would end voting, it would force people to give some thought to their votes if they are encouraged to justify them! Just because something is unlikely to change is no reason to give up on it (this is coming from an Everton fan who followed them through the wilderness years into Moyes' glory season and beyond!)-- MikeOliver, Apr 06 2003 Mandatory explanations are not "encouragement."-- bristolz, Apr 06 2003 ok, change encorage to force!-- MikeOliver, Apr 06 2003 But don't let this stop you from explaining all your negative votes. We'll see how that works out.-- bristolz, Apr 06 2003 ok, go for it! i check my uni mail very infrequently, but i get there eventually!-- MikeOliver, Apr 06 2003 Welcome to: Explain Your Votes Version 3.4.1 - you haven't found prior art for this idea, because it gets deleted every time, and with good reason. Thanks for searching though - it bodes well.I haven't voted on any of your ideas - even though you overuse those naughty exclamations(!)krelnik's help file is a genuine blessing - alotta love on that page.You're trying, and you're searching - and that's what counts more than votes or comments.-- thumbwax, Apr 06 2003 "This theory is false." Aw, you might have just thown down the gauntlet on that one.-- phoenix, Apr 06 2003 Croissant. (Well, come to think of it, that would make for too much fluff in the annos. So I want half the croissant back. What, you've eaten it?)-- pluterday, Apr 06 2003 Bone. Because with just a few more bones, there will appear just the head of a fishbone - a fish-head-bone. Which I think is sort of cool. A bone head! OK - you were the one who wanted the reason.-- bungston, Apr 06 2003 Ok, I will tell you why. Sometimes an idea is so stupid or vile that I just can't come up with a suitable comment without exceeding my own bounds. Unfortunately for you, I am not the explanation for any of your fishbones, so I guess I didn't help you much.-- lurch, Apr 07 2003 It would have been funnier if this idea got the 23 fishbones without getting any annotations.-- Jezzie, Jun 08 2003 Rather bureaucratic, no? Though I guess they could make a funny book out of all the corkers.-- git, Jun 08 2003 Fishbone for the idea but croissant for being a Toffeeman. Overall fishcake.-- DrBob, Jun 09 2003 Oliver is Revilo backwards. So here is a bone.-- bungston, Jun 09 2003 --- Worldgineer, Jun 09 2003 Fishbone for been a toffee.-- sufc, Jun 09 2003 What [lurch] said. Any conversation is an act of support, and sometimes I don't want to give attention or support to the poster of ideas I vote against.-- jutta, Jul 21 2004 [-] because the penny came down heads-- tasman, Jul 21 2004 I reckon there are plenty of people floating about like myself in the bowels of the halfbakery ie. been a member for a few years, pop their heads in to see what is going on once a week or so, enjoy participating in the bakery with the odd vote/short anno, but for reasons best known to themselves don't necessarily like annotating. Personally, I've annotated probably about 20 times and put forward less than a handful of ideas in my 3 years here mainly because of shyness (awww the nice) and the difficulty in breaking into an already well established community. I mainly enjoy reading the ideas and annos, and the odd vote here and there. Forcing people to explain every vote would result in a lot of people (totally unfounded speculation here, but I can't be the only one) who wish to in the main gently lurk, yet enjoy odd piece of participation, drifting away from the place. I know I would enjoy the place less if I had to annotate every vote Just remember, though, I'm watching.... *manic laughter trailing off into embarassment at the length of this anno*-- ChewTheBeef, Jul 22 2004 - Why? Uh, just going along with the crowd I suppose. Sorry Mike.-- spacemoggy, Jul 22 2004 Thanks for resurrecting this! This is one of my ideas that i have voted against (having read all the annos). I'd delete it but for the fact that its existence presumably prevents it being posted again.-- MikeOliver, Jul 22 2004 thanks for not deleting this, as it has prevented me from posting similar, and now understand the reasons behind it all. those unexplained votes still piss me off a little though.-- bleh, Aug 22 2006 random, halfbakery